Immigration good or bad

[stevie_r]

Just because they are not white doesn't mean English isnt their first language

I'm so surprised we don't speak Danish or French or Spanish as a first language with all those immigrant over the thousands of years

Miami is not the UK

Edit: which language will be the first language in the UK then

The top 5 immigrants are - Polish , Irish , African , Chinese and South Asians ?

And if I may add, just because they aren't white doesn't mean they aren't British, they could be 3rd generation!

 

[gmc40]

I don't consider my local council not putting up Christmas lights because it offends Muslims to be 'wonderfully multi cultural'

http://christchurch-dorset.com/christchurch-christmas-festival-lights-switch-on/

Did this get cancelled? Or have you moved elsewhere where it did get cancelled and not updated your location? Or did you just make it up?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

You used Miami to back up a point that we will not have English as our first language

I counter that by asking why when people have been flooding into country over thousands of years do we still speak English as a first language - by a massive majority.

You mentioned skin colour in Leicester and asked what that has to do with language because a persons skin colour doesn't automatically suggest a certain type of language

Again there is no facts to back up further points

And not for the first time.

Still waiting for the council list

OK, I'll spell it out for you in simple terms so you can understand it.

Your first point.....the rate of immigration has increased dramatically since we joined the EU and opened our borders. That is why English is the primary language in this country but for how much longer? Miami is a major city in the USA (yep, not in the UK) which used to be populated with white americans, now it has a majority population of hispanics and the primary language is Spanish. I was using this as an example of what will happen to the UK if we continue with our current immigration policy.

Your second question re Leicester. Prior to the 1960's, there were virtually no blacks/asians or any other non whites in this country. Now an entire city has a non white majority. As I said, I'm not racist I'm just using this example to emphasise the point about immigration.

Please feel free to respond to my comments if you wish but to be perfectly honest, I'm bored with this thread now and I won't be responding.

 

[stevie_r]

OK, I'll spell it out for you in simple terms so you can understand it.

Your first point.....the rate of immigration has increased dramatically since we joined the EU and opened our borders. That is why English is the primary language in this country but for how much longer? Miami is a major city in the USA (yep, not in the UK) which used to be populated with white americans, now it has a majority population of hispanics and the primary language is Spanish. I was using this as an example of what will happen to the UK if we continue with our current immigration policy.

Your second question re Leicester. Prior to the 1960's, there were virtually no blacks/asians or any other non whites in this country. Now an entire city has a non white majority. As I said, I'm not racist I'm just using this example to emphasise the point about immigration.

Please feel free to respond to my comments if you wish but to be perfectly honest, I'm bored with this thread now and I won't be responding.

See that highlighted bit, the bit in bold - utter utter rubbish

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

See that highlighted bit, the bit in bold - utter utter rubbish

Apologies.... 1 decade out

http://www.historytoday.com/zig-henry/new-commonwealth-migrants-1945-62

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OK, I'll spell it out for you in simple terms so you can understand it.

Your first point.....the rate of immigration has increased dramatically since we joined the EU and opened our borders. That is why English is the primary language in this country but for how much longer? Miami is a major city in the USA (yep, not in the UK) which used to be populated with white americans, now it has a majority population of hispanics and the primary language is Spanish. I was using this as an example of what will happen to the UK if we continue with our current immigration policy.

Your second question re Leicester. Prior to the 1960's, there were virtually no blacks/asians or any other non whites in this country. Now an entire city has a non white majority. As I said, I'm not racist I'm just using this example to emphasise the point about immigration.

Please feel free to respond to my comments if you wish but to be perfectly honest, I'm bored with this thread now and I won't be responding.

You cannot state what "will or will not happen" - you can say what you think " might" happen based on some loose connection to the Miami but it's massively loose. Unless you can see into the future with some magical powers.

The colour of someone's skin doesn't determine what language they speak - Yes there maybe more blacks than whites in Leicester but they are still speaking English there.

You have made quite a few statements today and they have been false

There is a clear difference between fact and opinion - very clear difference.

 

[stevie_r]

Personally I would love to hear the white English speaking population of Miami, or indeed any other American city, whine that foreigners were taking over their country. The irony would probably make me pish my boxers :rofl:

 

[SocketRocket]

Schools and housing is on the increase and has been for a while

The population is growing with or without immigration

Our country has always been proud of being able to welcome people into the country and I hope we continue to do so

Our country is wonderfully multi cultural

"Schools and housing on the increase"! : Schools are at bursting point, please prove otherwise.
Housing provision is nowhere near keeping up with population. Please prove otherwise.

"The population is growing with or without immigration" : Umm! I think I explained that! The biggest increase in new births are to mothers born outside Britain. The country already has a birth rate too large for services, immigration only compounds that.

"Our country is wonderfully multi cultural" : It's not wonderful at all, it means we are separated by culture and many of the minority groups are the ones most likely to want to remain separate from the majority. There are very few inter-marriages between Asians and white British and its the Asian communities that want it to remain that way.

Tell me what you find so bad about traditional British Culture, why did it need watering down and be made into something we should be afraid to enjoy and maintain. IMO we don't need multiculturalism, we need integration.

 

[SocketRocket]

Personally I would love to hear the white English speaking population of Miami, or indeed any other American city, whine that foreigners were taking over their country. The irony would probably make me pish my boxers :rofl:

Have you ever lived in the USA? I doubt it somehow! Try living in the Southern States and repeat that in a bar! You fail to understand that the country has moved on a bit over the last 500 years and most people don't see themselves as newcomers, they also have very strong views over the influx of hispanic people.

You would need to cross your legs and take a spare pair of shreddies.

 

[stevie_r]

Have you ever lived in the USA? I doubt it somehow! Try living in the Southern States and repeat that in a bar! You fail to understand that the country has moved on a bit over the last 500 years and most people don't see themselves as newcomers, they also have very strong views over the influx of hispanic people.

You would need to cross your legs and take a spare pair of shreddies.

Where to even begin with that, good grief. I appreciate that countries move on, as well as appreciating that you believe you have an IQ equivalent to the rest of the forum put together - well apart from an understanding of irony that is.

 

[SocketRocket]

Where to even begin with that, good grief. I appreciate that countries move on, as well as appreciating that you believe you have an IQ equivalent to the rest of the forum put together - well apart from an understanding of irony that is.

Poor reply. Must try harder Stevie.

Irony? Never been good at that, I leave it to jack the lads

 

[Deleted member 15344]

"Schools and housing on the increase"! : Schools are at bursting point, please prove otherwise.
Housing provision is nowhere near keeping up with population. Please prove otherwise.

"The population is growing with or without immigration" : Umm! I think I explained that! The biggest increase in new births are to mothers born outside Britain. The country already has a birth rate too large for services, immigration only compounds that.

"Our country is wonderfully multi cultural" : It's not wonderful at all, it means we are separated by culture and many of the minority groups are the ones most likely to want to remain separate from the majority. There are very few inter-marriages between Asians and white British and its the Asian communities that want it to remain that way.

Tell me what you find so bad about traditional British Culture, why did it need watering down and be made into something we should be afraid to enjoy and maintain. IMO we don't need multiculturalism, we need integration.

When did I say anything was bad about British Culture and when did I say it needed watering down ?

And made into something we are afraid to enjoy ?!

Again you are saying that I'm saying stuff that I'm clearly not !

And yes I think this country is wonderful and yes I do like both the British Culture and I also like the foreign culture we have in this country.

 

[SocketRocket]

When did I say anything was bad about British Culture and when did I say it needed watering down ?

And made into something we are afraid to enjoy ?!

Again you are saying that I'm saying stuff that I'm clearly not !

And yes I think this country is wonderful and yes I do like both the British Culture and I also like the foreign culture we have in this country.

Come on then. Reply to the rest of the post!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Come on then. Reply to the rest of the post!

What's the point when you will just spin what ever I say and make up stuff - again when did I say anything about disliking British culture.

Why do you keep doing it ?

 

[JustOne]

Immigration??? Pah!! We can't even mix Scots and English yet!!!!!!!!!

 

[SocketRocket]

What's the point when you will just spin what ever I say and make up stuff - again when did I say anything about disliking British culture.

Why do you keep doing it ?

Funny that. I was just about to post the same.

 

[SocketRocket]

Immigration??? Pah!! We can't even mix Scots and English yet!!!!!!!!!

Hey JO, don't leave the Welsh and Irish out of a good story line

 

[Hobbit]

Try visiting Birmingham City hospital. You'll find English on the signs in the hospital.... down in 3rd or 4th place. Try asking some of the staff for directions...

Your version of reality does seem a little at odds with many on here...

Went there about 4 years ago with an eye problem - had an English speaking doc and nurse

And does one hospital represent the majority of the country ?

50 mil English speaking people ( first language ) in the country.

So you're quite happy to have English as the 3rd langauge? You should try turning up there on an emergency call out to theatres...

And how about the elected Mayor of Leicester - 2003? Ramnik Kavia, born in India and elected by a majority of the local population, i.e. asian...

9% of the UK is immigrant but over 50% of that 9% live in London. Over 5,000,000 million people in London are immigrants... wonder how confident Boris is of keeping his job?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Funny that. I was just about to post the same.

But I'm not - far from it pal.

It's quite clear you have a strong opinion about non British - you are entitled to that but it's making you twist everything anyone says to fall in line to predetermined arguments you already have in your head.

I suggested to you yesterday that could you please actually not twist and spin what people are saying - it's extremly disrespectful.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you're quite happy to have English as the 3rd langauge? You should try turning up there on an emergency call out to theatres...

And how about the elected Mayor of Leicester - 2003? Ramnik Kavia, born in India and elected by a majority of the local population, i.e. asian...

9% of the UK is immigrant but over 50% of that 9% live in London. Over 5,000,000 million people in London are immigrants... wonder how confident Boris is of keeping his job?

But English isn't the third language and witnessed no problems when I was there

What about the Mayor of Leicester ? Is he not allowed to be elected ?