Immigration good or bad

[SocketRocket]

But I'm not - far from it pal.

It's quite clear you have a strong opinion about non British - you are entitled to that but it's making you twist everything anyone says to fall in line to predetermined arguments you already have in your head.

I suggested to you yesterday that could you please actually not twist and spin what people are saying - it's extremly disrespectful.

I was about to post the same.

About time someone closed this thread as its going nowhere now.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I was about to [post the same.

But you would be wrong unless you can point out something I have said that you have posted when you didn't ?

 

[SocketRocket]

But you would be wrong unless you can point out something I have said that you have posted when you didn't ?

 

[Hobbit]

Try visiting Birmingham City hospital. You'll find English on the signs in the hospital.... down in 3rd or 4th place. Try asking some of the staff for directions...

Your version of reality does seem a little at odds with many on here...

Went there about 4 years ago with an eye problem - had an English speaking doc and nurse

And does one hospital represent the majority of the country ?

50 mil English speaking people ( first language ) in the country.

So you're quite happy to have English as the 3rd langauge? You should try turning up there on an emergency call out to theatres...

And how about the elected Mayor of Leicester - 2003? Ramnik Kavia, born in India and elected by a majority of the local population, i.e. asian...

9% of the UK is immigrant but over 50% of that 9% live in London. Over 5,000,000 million people in London are immigrants... wonder how confident Boris is of keeping his job?

But English isn't the third language and witnessed no problems when I was there

What about the Mayor of Leicester ? Is he not allowed to be elected ?

Sementics and splitting hairs...

English is the 3rd langauge on the signs in Brimingham City hospital - FACT!

An English city elected a foreign mayor by virtue of the fact that the majority of the population in that city is of the SAME decent, and the indigenous population of that city are in the minority...

Split it any way you like Phil but you are blinkered and blind to where areas of the UK are now, and where it is headed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

One hospital has English on a sign

Didn't realise the order on which language on a sign means it's the priority of language

1 hospital out of hundreds - one hospital - the smallest of minorities.

That mayor of Leicester is a British Citizen is he not ? Part of the Commonwealth also. Again I can't see the problem. Are the Asians in Leicester not English then ? What about the thousands born in the country ? Born and bred in Leicester - are they not part of the indigenous population ?

 

[SocketRocket]

One hospital has English on a sign

Didn't realise the order on which language on a sign means it's the priority of language

1 hospital out of hundreds - one hospital - the smallest of minorities.

That mayor of Leicester is a British Citizen is he not ? Part of the Commonwealth also. Again I can't see the problem. Are the Asians in Leicester not English then ? What about the thousands born in the country ? Born and bred in Leicester - are they not part of the indigenous population ?

Could you please actually not twist and spin what people are saying - it's extremly disrespectful.

A number of people have noticed this!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Could you please actually not twist and spin what people are saying - it's extremly disrespectful.

A number of people have noticed this!

Where have I twisted anything - where have I suggested the poster has said something he didn't

I'm guessing you are still searching. You carry on.

Im guessing you are struggling hence why you are starting to be facetious

 

[Captainron]

This issue is clearly a major talking point and I am sure it will play a MASSIVE role in the election campaigns in the next election. If UKIP had a credible leader they would definitely gain votes around this. Plenty of folk here in Lincolnshire are leaning their way.

 

[Hobbit]

One hospital has English on a sign

Didn't realise the order on which language on a sign means it's the priority of language

1 hospital out of hundreds - one hospital - the smallest of minorities.

That mayor of Leicester is a British Citizen is he not ? Part of the Commonwealth also. Again I can't see the problem. Are the Asians in Leicester not English then ? What about the thousands born in the country ? Born and bred in Leicester - are they not part of the indigenous population ?

So you are quite happy to give up Birmigham as part of Britain? For the response to an emergency in the theatres to be hindered by a lack of English, both in the sign posting and by the staff?

The Commonwealth isn't Britain. It is a Commonwealth of separate nation. Nations that have made a point of separating themselves from being part of the Empire but are more than happy to come here as economic migrants and take the best of the UK. The 2nd/3rd generation Britains in Leicester, of asian decent........ i'm sorry Phil but "there's none so blind as those that cannot see," and you are the architypal of someone who, irrespective of what empirical evidence is put before them, is totally blind.

 

[SocketRocket]

Where have I twisted anything - where have I suggested the poster has said something he didn't

I'm guessing you are still searching. You carry on.

Im guessing you are struggling hence why you are starting to be facetious

You may have missed that I was quoting your own previous words

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you are quite happy to give up Birmigham as part of Britain? For the response to an emergency in the theatres to be hindered by a lack of English, both in the sign posting and by the staff?

The Commonwealth isn't Britain. It is a Commonwealth of separate nation. Nations that have made a point of separating themselves from being part of the Empire but are more than happy to come here as economic migrants and take the best of the UK. The 2nd/3rd generation Britains in Leicester, of asian decent........ i'm sorry Phil but "there's none so blind as those that cannot see," and you are the architypal of someone who, irrespective of what empirical evidence is put before them, is totally blind.

Given up Birmingham as part of Britain ?

Where has it gone ? Britain as far as I'm aware is the ground on which you walk and Birmingham will always be part of Britain regardless of who lives there.

Have emergencies been hindered at the hospital ?

I never said the commonwealth was Britain ?

So are people born in this country British regardless of their parentage ? Is the Mayor of Leicester not British - has he not been voted in by British whether that be 2nd or 3rd generation British


They decent from Asian background - where as you possibly decent from foreign background also ?

 

[SocketRocket]

So you are quite happy to give up Birmigham as part of Britain? For the response to an emergency in the theatres to be hindered by a lack of English, both in the sign posting and by the staff?

The Commonwealth isn't Britain. It is a Commonwealth of separate nation. Nations that have made a point of separating themselves from being part of the Empire but are more than happy to come here as economic migrants and take the best of the UK. The 2nd/3rd generation Britains in Leicester, of asian decent........ i'm sorry Phil but "there's none so blind as those that cannot see," and you are the architypal of someone who, irrespective of what empirical evidence is put before them, is totally blind.

I had an experience of calling a London Hospital recently to enquire on someone I knew had been admitted. The person that answered seemed to be of African origin and spoke very poor English, it took me some time for them to comprehend my straight forward request. I was then put through to a Ward Nurse who seemed to be of Chinese origin and also had a poor command of English. A very poor experience and reflection of the NHS.

Was this an example of our lovely Multiculturalism ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I had an experience of calling a London Hospital recently to enquire on someone I knew had been admitted. The person that answered seemed to be of African origin and spoke very poor English, it took me some time for them to comprehend my straight forward request. I was then put through to a Ward Nurse who seemed to be of Chinese origin and also had a poor command of English. A very poor experience and reflection of the NHS.

Was this an example of our lovely Multiculturalism ?

Imagine you having the perfect example - I'm amazed you haven't mentioned it before

 

[Hobbit]

What about the thousands born in the country ? Born and bred in Leicester - are they not part of the indigenous population ?

Rather than us split hairs on what is and what isn't indigenous......... Surely you'll bow to something like the Oxford English dictionary, and maybe even Wikipedia...

The Oxford is pretty clear on what is indigenous, i.e, of natural decent. Wikipedia takes it even further by saying that the indigenous population may suffer by colonisation.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Rather than us split hairs on what is and what isn't indigenous......... Surely you'll bow to something like the Oxford English dictionary, and maybe even Wikipedia...

The Oxford is pretty clear on what is indigenous, i.e, of natural decent. Wikipedia takes it even further by saying that the indigenous population may suffer by colonisation.

So who in this country is natural ? My roots are Irish ? Are yours Norman or Danish

How far back do you go ?

If someone's parents came here in the 1940's are they still not British ?!

Do you have to go back further.

 

[SocketRocket]

Imagine you having the perfect example - I'm amazed you haven't mentioned it before

Are you suggesting I am lying. I assure you its true, if you think I am making it up then contact me by PM and I will supply you with the full details.

 

[Hobbit]

So who in this country is natural ? My roots are Irish ? Are yours Norman or Danish

How far back do you go ?

If someone's parents came here in the 1940's are they still not British ?!

Do you have to go back further.

I'm at a loss here Phil... are you just trolling for an argument or genuinely obtuse? Maybe this is better settled over a pint... or 23. I'm guessing we could get 36 holes out of this discussion.

First of all, the response to an emergancy at Birmingham City; yes the response was hindered by the signposting and the poor response from the staff, and not for the first time and not in the first hospital I've worked in... And dare I add, following a rugby injury I had the nursing staff translate my broad northern English to a Doc in a hospital in Lincolnshire. Maybe me being broad northern, I'm at fault.

As to the diverse nations that have either invaded or emigrated to these shores. Different nations, from different areas of the world, assimilate very differently into the UK. If you think someone of Irish decent integrates the same as someone from asia you are definitely being naive, and the enclaves that we see in many major towns and cities support that.

As for my origin... deepest, darkest Lincolnshire + 2nd gen Irish = totally screwed. But perhaps more importantly in the context of this argument, totally assimilated into celebrating "England, Harry & St George."

But we, prehaps, digress from the original argument, or maybe my original rsponse.... we're full.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So is it just the Asians that are the problem ?

The Irish it appears are ok - so they can immigrate to us

What about the polish ? Or Eastern European or Chinese because immigration isn't just about Asians

And why did you have problems with the signage ? You said they had English on them ?

And understanding accents isn't just restricted to immigrants.

And assimilate ? You won't find many Irish assimilating towards England , St George etc - they are Irish and will always be Irish and they do have their own little areas and own little
Villages where ever you go.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you suggesting I am lying. I assure you its true, if you think I am making it up then contact me by PM and I will supply you with the full details.

I can be suggesting whatever you want to believe :thup:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

OMG Phil, I've just realised......you're trolling to get to 2000 posts!

:rofl: