Immigration good or bad

[Deleted Member 1156]

So question - 1 job - two candidates 1 from UK and 1 Immigrant - who should get the job ?

The Brit :ears:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Brit :ears:

Regardless of ability ?

That's bordering on racial prejudice

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Regardless of ability ?

That's bordering on racial prejudice

My example was based on medical professionals, our training is as good as any in the world so there is no reason why he/she should be an inferior candidate.

So you would rather have an immigrant get the job, putting a Brit on the dole?

 

[SocketRocket]

So you would want a Brit over a better non Brit ?

I would actually prefer to have the best person possible doing the job

Even in Canada etc they employ the best people regardless of where they come from

I know if I needed an op I would prefer to have the best doctor operating regardless of where they come from

So question - 1 job - two candidates 1 from UK and 1 Immigrant - who should get the job ?

The immigrant should only get the job if we don't have anyone qualified to do it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My example was based on medical professionals, our training is as good as any in the world so there is no reason why he/she should be an inferior candidate.

So you would rather have an immigrant get the job, putting a Brit on the dole?

I would rather have the best person for the job get the job regardless of their nationality or race.

Just because someone is trained in this country doesn't mean they are the best person for the job

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The immigrant should only get the job if we don't have anyone qualified to do it.

So you would pick a Brit over an immigrant regardless of their ability ?

Life saving op is needed - which Doc do you want - the Brit or the immigrant who is better

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So what are you saying......foreign doctors don't make cock-ups, only British ones?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So what are you saying......foreign doctors don't make cock-ups, only British ones?

Did I say that ?

I said i want the job to go to the best candidate not just be given to the Brit because they are a Brit

If they are the best for the job they will get it

 

[SocketRocket]

So you would pick a Brit over an immigrant regardless of their ability ?

Life saving op is needed - which Doc do you want - the Brit or the immigrant who is better

I would hope a qualified Surgeon trained in Britain would be capable of carrying out the operation. Do you suggest otherwise?

As I suggested. If there was not a British person suitable for the job then of course it would be pertinent to recruit someone from overseas.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I would hope a qualified Surgeon trained in Britain would be capable of carrying out the operation. Do you suggest otherwise?

I suggest I would like the best available to operate regardless of where they were born.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Phil, you should stand for Prime Minister. I would love to see what the UK would be like under you in 20 years time :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

I suggest I would like the best available to operate regardless of where they were born.

So lets consider you are in hospital and require a heart bypass. Would you question the hospital on the suitability of their Surgeons, would you ask them if they had searched abroad to see if their was someone better suited to carry out the procedure?

Lets look at another scenario. An Indian restaurant requires a new trainee assistant Chef. Should they recruit someone from the Indian sub Continent before taking on someone unemployed in the UK?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So lets consider you are in hospital and require a heart bypass. Would you question the hospital on the suitability of their Surgeons, would you ask them if they had searched abroad to see if their was someone better suited to carry out the procedure?

Lets look at another scenario. An Indian restaurant requires a new trainee assistant Chef. Should they recruit someone from the Indian sub Continent before taking on someone unemployed in the UK?

Well yes I would pick the best hospital for any operatin if given the choice and also the best surgeons for the job regardless of where they come from

The top surgeon at Harefield ( top heart hospital ) is an Indian and he is reputed to be the best in Europe if not the world - saved thousands of lives and many have learned from him. Would you like him replaced with a Brit ?

And the Indian restaurant should employ who they think is best for the job regardless of where they come from

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, you should stand for Prime Minister. I would love to see what the UK would be like under you in 20 years time :thup:

Prob in a better state than if we took others peoples ideals

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

And the Indian restaurant should employ who they think is best for the job regardless of where they come from

If you follow your argument to it's logical conclusion.......

There are 50 something million Brits in this country and 6 billion people on Earth. For any given job in this country there will be someone else in the world who is better qualified. Bring 'em in!! Brits can live on the dole.

Prob in a better state than if we took others peoples ideals

That's your opinion.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you follow your argument to it's logical conclusion.......

There are 50 something million Brits in this country and 6 billion people on Earth. For any given job in this country there will be someone else in the world who is better qualified. Bring 'em in!! Brits can live on the dole.

Is that not how a lot of big companies work anyway - people get Headhunted or people apply and then it's down to ability and not where they come from.

That's your opinion.

You're right, it is :thup:

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Scotland is kinda shielded from the large numbers of immigrants that England has seen over recent years, but seeing as I can only go on personal experience, I think immigration from European countries and others has been excellent for Scotland.We suffer from a net deficit between emmigration and immigration so its been good for us.I do agree there should be a period of time that benefits cannot be claimed but I also think people sometimes need help when they first arrive.Speaking English should be the only pre-requisite I'd have...integration is essential.

 

[MegaSteve]

Speaking English should be the only pre-requisite I'd have...integration is essential.

One of my Grandsons attended a school [near Heathrow] where for 90%+ English was not the first language... One of the reasons his Mum has now moved away from 'the smoke' to try and get him a better chance of decent schooling...

 

[SocketRocket]

Since 2000 net migration has reached 2.6 Million. Thats' like 2.5 times the population of Birmingham. As well as this the birth rate is climbing at a fairly rapid rate 813,000 new births in 2012.

As these numbers will rise over the years how will this kind of population be supported. To create housing, health services, schools and infrastructure for this number of people we will either have to have a continual large growth in the economy or accept a reduced standard of living.

 

[doublebogey7]

Since 2000 net migration has reached 2.6 Million. Thats' like 2.5 times the population of Birmingham. As well as this the birth rate is climbing at a fairly rapid rate 813,000 new births in 2012.

As these numbers will rise over the years how will this kind of population be supported. To create housing, health services, schools and infrastructure for this number of people we will either have to have a continual large growth in the economy or accept a reduced standard of living.

So what is an old birth