davidy233
Tour Rookie
Ahh - that explains it - thought you were being a bit open there.
how would you deal with a handicap manipulator??
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some are, well one won't play with him anymore, but the others are sheepish, but don't mind it when they get prizes it seems.
Can general play cuts come from matchplay? and how would you do it without cards?
trouble no need to look at the record, everyone at that club who's been there more than 13 years knows the score. should have been dealt with at the time TBH, but sort of been ignored. i know the alliance had a big issue the first few years he won and acted, but questions how you can play off 9 shots lower in winter and still win on a reg basis yet rarely puts a card in all summer. Won the winter league by quite a few shots as well.
woofers
Medal Winner
I would suggest you can, here is an extract from Appendix M which is referred to in making General Play Adjustments-
When carrying out the Annual Review and in giving consideration to possible handicap adjustments arising from the computer generated listing, the Handicap Committee must:
• take account of the player’s achievements in Non-Qualifying Competitions, match play competitions, four-ball better ball competitions and other forms of team event in addition to medal play performance;
Not sure if it there is something similar with you, but England Golf require all Non Qualifying Competition scores to recorded / reported to the players home club by player and away club:
https://www.englandgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Recording-of-Non-Qualifying-Scores.pdf
When carrying out the Annual Review and in giving consideration to possible handicap adjustments arising from the computer generated listing, the Handicap Committee must:
• take account of the player’s achievements in Non-Qualifying Competitions, match play competitions, four-ball better ball competitions and other forms of team event in addition to medal play performance;
Not sure if it there is something similar with you, but England Golf require all Non Qualifying Competition scores to recorded / reported to the players home club by player and away club:
https://www.englandgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Recording-of-Non-Qualifying-Scores.pdf
rulefan
Tour Winner
As suggested earlier, proper use of 23.6 and Appendix M is the way it should be dealt with.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
One wonders if the WHS is even going to sort out players like these.
i'll pass that one, i'm not sure if we do have that rule in Scotland, but i could be wrong
which is what, will pass it on, but with no score cards for the club MP comps... i suppose there should be evidence from TS and the allience, but i'm not sure there is any way to know how many of BB and TS comps he's played
what that saying??? "where there's a will there's a way" unfort
Grant85
Head Pro
I'm not sure there's a solution really.
If he's only playing 3 medals and keeping his handicap for roll ups, scrambles and matchplay etc. he's entitled to do that. If he is getting to matchplay finals and winning them, along with scrambles - then the handicap secretary can and should cut him in the off season.
Unless someone was putting in a load of cards at level par or buffer and clearly playing very comfortably to their handicap, or they put in one score at 7 or 8 under, there's no real mechanism to cut someone mid season under general play.
I don't think the WHS will sort this out much - people still won't be obliged to put in cards for going out in a bounce game or a casual sweep and I doubt many clubs would enforce this.
If he's only playing 3 medals and keeping his handicap for roll ups, scrambles and matchplay etc. he's entitled to do that. If he is getting to matchplay finals and winning them, along with scrambles - then the handicap secretary can and should cut him in the off season.
Unless someone was putting in a load of cards at level par or buffer and clearly playing very comfortably to their handicap, or they put in one score at 7 or 8 under, there's no real mechanism to cut someone mid season under general play.
I don't think the WHS will sort this out much - people still won't be obliged to put in cards for going out in a bounce game or a casual sweep and I doubt many clubs would enforce this.
rosecott
Money List Winner
It's a CONGU rule and applies to all the home National Unions.
how would you get around the fact the winter comps are all NQ?
rosecott
Money List Winner
As in post #24 - they can be taken into account on Annual Review along with the other factors listed.
I'll pass it on thanks
rulefan
Tour Winner
Have you got the facility to copy and paste from pdfs or a non pdf version of the CONGU book?
Swango1980
Well-known member
This is what I do every time a member submits their 3rd card for handicap, and I've managed to find several who have had handicaps elsewhere. However, there are limitations. You can only search by name, so they only stand out if they've been a member of another club locally, and becomes very tricky or impossible if they have a common name like Steve Smith.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
One of the troubles I and other members of our handicap found with that edict is that it came with no guidance as to how we should take them in to account and waht do you do if organisers of such things refuse to give you the information.
The manual can also seem to contradict itself
• not use General Play Adjustments as a ‘punishment’ (or ‘reward’) for success in either match or stroke play competitions (unless other evidence exists to support an adjustment); and
• not apply a formula to make adjustments e.g. the winners of club match play events being the subject of a handicap reduction of two strokes.
rulefan
Tour Winner
I don't see a contradiction. Just a clarification on what not to do.
woofers
Medal Winner
I guess it’s the non PDF. Using an iPad I went onto the CONGU website and selected View Manual Online.
woofers
Medal Winner
I think those examples refer to ‘one off‘ situations. The OP was clearly referring to multiple competitions.
I also don’t see any reference as to why these adjustments can’t be made mid season. There’s no reason to wait for the ‘off season’ or Annual Review.
I have attended England Golf presentations where the representative has confirmed that changes in handicaps should be made as soon possible and practical.
