How unequal is equality.

[Hacker Khan]

Alright enough is enough I can't take this <whiny voice>Ooh the women only play three sets</whiny voice> crap any more.

Ask the top female players and I bet they'd love to play five sets. Ask the tournament directors and they'll have palpitations at the very thought of it. Yay an extra week for each of the slams!

I'm not a great tennis fan but it is what it is and both the men's and women's championships are a big part of the grand slam experience. Make any of them men-only and it would be greatly diminished. When I do watch tennis I have seen some really turgid men's matches and some brilliant, compelling women's ones. And vice versa!

Make no mistake, nobody is excited about watching milos raonic vs john isner so it's not the "men's game" that is the big draw subsidising anything. It's Federer, Djokovitch, Nadal, Williams, Sharapova etc that are the big draws - the stars of the game of both genders.

Spectators at the slams, TV and media coverage, sponsors are all there because of the slam experience in its entirety not to watch two male non-entities whacking it over the net from the baseline for 3, 4 or 5 sets.

It really really pisses me off that one of the few areas in life where there really is gender pay equality - tennis grand slam prize money - causes so much bitterness and resentment from sad gits that don't have anything better to worry about. In the real world women are systematically discriminated against and paid less - across the board from low skilled right up to boardroom level jobs.

For example, my wife is a lawyer and she showed me this. Female solicitors earn FORTY-TWO percent less than their male counterparts.

http://www.lawscot.org.uk/news/2015...ifference-between-male-and-female-solicitors/

Where is the outrage about that, forum? I don't recall any threads about that? No, but the slightest hint that women might actually benefit from some inequity or even that it's "unfair" (boo hoo) that we have actually been treated equally in some regard and the sad gits are up in arms.

Get your heads out of your arses, gentlemen!

To steal a sound effect from Fighting Talk, Hallelujah, Hallelujah.

Here here, well said, couldn't agree more.

 

[Tashyboy]

In one small event. That's it. Talk about selective choosing...

But thats what this forum is all about selective choosing. Like you choose to select my first sentance without including the rest of my post where i actually agreed with the sum
Being paid to women in the TOY.

It's not took me a day to think that up. I am in Vienna watching ice age in German i think whilst missis t puts her face on.

 

[jusme]

For the tennis, I don't have an issue with the fact that the men play more sets (usually) than the women.

All sport is business nowadays, and the prize money should reflect the revenue each gender generates IMO (unless one sex is supporting the other to try to grow the sport).

Can you imagine the top women footballers asking for £250,000 per week because they play the same length matches as the men?
Clubs would go under in weeks because they don't generate the gate receipts and tv money that the men's clubs do.

In the normal working world, the pay for a particular job should be just that, regardless of who is doing the work.

Exactly this ^

 

[Tashyboy]

Exactly this ^

Nah then jusme, it seems that may well be the case with the US Women's football team. Some of them are kicking off ( sorry ) coz they get paid less than the men.

Getting fed fed up of popcorn.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Nah then jusme, it seems that may well be the case with the US Women's football team. Some of them are kicking off ( sorry ) coz they get paid less than the men.
Getting fed fed up of popcorn.

This one is interesting. Do you think the US Women's team should get paid more, less or the same as the US men?

 

[davidy233]

This one is interesting. Do you think the US Women's team should get paid more, less or the same as the US men?

I'd say more - they are more successful - make more money for US Soccer and pull in at least as big TV audiences

 

[Tashyboy]

This one is interesting. Do you think the US Women's team should get paid more, less or the same as the US men?

To be honest FD, am gonna sit on the fence and pull the splinters out tomorrow. As I have already said, re women's ToY. The payday is a lot but it is a chance for a blue riband event.
however re women's soccer in the US of A. I can understand there arguement. But I have not got a clue re what they get in tv revenue compared to men.

 

[FairwayDodger]

To be honest FD, am gonna sit on the fence and pull the splinters out tomorrow. As I have already said, re women's ToY. The payday is a lot but it is a chance for a blue riband event.
however re women's soccer in the US of A. I can understand there arguement. But I have not got a clue re what they get in tv revenue compared to men.

Poor show, Tashyboy. Should have read the article and not just the headline before going off on another rant. This one doesn't fit your agenda.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/us-soccers-wage-gap-is-americas-shame

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't the players mainly get their wages from club football as opposed to the national team ?

Do the US give their players a wage as well ?

It mentions top ladies getting 70,000 and the men getting 250,000 ?

 

[Tashyboy]

Poor show, Tashyboy. Should have read the article and not just the headline before going off on another rant. This one doesn't fit your agenda.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/us-soccers-wage-gap-is-americas-shame

Firstly FD I am not having a rant, just pointing out an issue where women are asking for equality. In this case, women's USA football where they say ( through there legal representative) they bring more money to the game in USA than the men do.
Now for one minute, let's just say I go along with that and agree with that ( which I do ). Can someone remind me again why women are paid the same in tennis when they do not generate the same income as men. But we have already been there with that one. Hence the title "How unequal is equality".If the USA case is based upon we generate more than you so we deserve the same if not more, I can see a big can of worms on the horizon, where sports women get paid far less because of what they generate.
re the link on the guardian the last time I read that my chips &#127839; were in it, my knowledge of this issue came via the BBC.

 

[richart]

I have absolutely no problems with men and women getting equal money at grand slams. They all get paid outrageous amounts anyway. Are the men saying they should get more, or that women should get less ? If it is the former, it is just greed, and if it is the later it is none of their business. Women have negotiated equal pay, so good on them.

 

[Papas1982]

I have absolutely no problems with men and women getting equal money at grand slams. They all get paid outrageous amounts anyway. Are the men saying they should get more, or that women should get less ? If it is the former, it is just greed, and if it is the later it is none of their business. Women have negotiated equal pay, so good on them.

I think that last bit is what Novak said. The problem now is that the men's game does generate more. So, of the men renegotiate, are they all of a sudden greedy? Or good on them for getting their worth?

 

[richart]

I think that last bit is what Novak said. The problem now is that the men's game does generate more. So, of the men renegotiate, are they all of a sudden greedy? Or good on them for getting their worth?

Do the men need more money just for themselves, or could they perhaps put their support into more money all round. Bit of solidarity amonst tennis players, rather than just looking after their own sex.

In my opinion they get more than enough already !!

 

[davidy233]

Firstly FD I am not having a rant, just pointing out an issue where women are asking for equality. In this case, women's USA football where they say ( through there legal representative) they bring more money to the game in USA than the men do.
Now for one minute, let's just say I go along with that and agree with that ( which I do ). Can someone remind me again why women are paid the same in tennis when they do not generate the same income as men. But we have already been there with that one. Hence the title "How unequal is equality".If the USA case is based upon we generate more than you so we deserve the same if not more, I can see a big can of worms on the horizon, where sports women get paid far less because of what they generate.
re the link on the guardian the last time I read that my chips &#127839; were in it, my knowledge of this issue came via the BBC.

US mens national team made a loss of $1 million last year - Women's team made a profit of circa $20 million and won the World Cup

 

[Hacker Khan]

Do the men need more money just for themselves, or could they perhaps put their support into more money all round. Bit of solidarity amonst tennis players, rather than just looking after their own sex.

In my opinion they get more than enough already !!

To quote Fighting talk again, Hallelujah, Hallelujah.

Multi millionaires several times over whinging on about money is a bit rich in my book.

 

[jusme]

This type of equality argument really gets on my goat. The person or their bits should be totally irrelevant. I wouldn't even go as far as saying that people doing the same job should be getting equal pay. No one does the 'same' job. Everyone performs different. It should (but won't) be simple. You get paid by performance and in sport, that equates to commercial interest. Whether you have bits sticking in or out or no bits at all, whether your a monkey or a wrench, it shouldn't matter. Performance, performance performance from the bottom up. Reward skill and ability. Solely because I have a vagina I should get equal pay to you. No you shouldn't. Based on your performance you should get more or less than than the next person, regardless of bits

 

[Snelly]

I have changed my view on this recently.

I am 100% in favour of gender equality on pay in all walks of life and especially sport which is exceptional in this debate.

I used to think sports prize money should be controlled by market forces but have changed my view as if it were left to the market, women's sport, in my opinion, would forever be in the shadow and this is a bad thing in every sense.

I am in favour of just about all sports events having a legal requirement to offer competitions to both genders with equal prize money. Sport is so high profile that equality in this area of life can only be a good thing in terms of affecting the pay gap elsewhere. Perhaps this means the mens prize values should come down in some cases? Either way, if women's sport is to thrive and grow - something I would love to see happen, gender pay equality is a crucial step.

More money in women's sport will lead to greater participation and consequently, a vast improvement in standards - something that really needs to happen to make women's sport watchable - at present, much of it generally isn't, at least for me personally.

Good to see the BBC leading on this too with TMS placing a lot of emphasis on the Women's England cricket team and also reporting with equality on the boat races.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I haven't read all the replies on this but I would like to make a couple of comments....

SPORT: Pay is determined by supply and demand. If more people tune into mens tennis than womens and sponsors get more return for their investment then it is fair and understandable that men have greater prizemoney. If women stopped grunting on every shot maybe a few more people would watch!!!!!!!

SALARIES: Pretty much all big companies have rigid pay structures where any particular job has a salary band. I find it hard to believe that there are large discrepancies between men and women. I'm sure a lot of the reported cases are the exception rather than the rule. You can always find anomalies if you look hard enough.

 

[FairwayDodger]

If women stopped grunting on every shot maybe a few more people would watch!!!!!!!

You know some people would dismiss a comment like this as pure sexism but you're right this is a huge problem. Just listen to the horrendous grunting of the women in this clip....

[video=youtube;dFSOk_THvDQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFSOk_THvDQ[/video]

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

You know some people would dismiss a comment like this as pure sexism but you're right this is a huge problem. Just listen to the horrendous grunting of the women in this clip....

You have just emphasized my point, if you look hard enough you will find exceptions to the rule. I would love to watch womens tennis as they are just as skillful as the men but the grunting is ridiculous. It never used to happen until Monica Seles appeared on the scene, now it is almost a requirement. Does it make them hit the ball harder?