How much can you take?

[Dibby]

Wow, judgemental much!?

How you can tell the guys is a criminal and drink driver from such few clues is amazing! Have you offered your amazing services to the local constabulary?

I'm with SwingsItLikeHogan on this one. Even the people having "quiet night", may not realise that on average after 10 pints it will be the best part of 24 hours from when they stop drinking until they are legally safe to drive, someone drinking 20+ pints is looking at nearly 2 whole days, and that's assuming nothing is consumed within that period.



I haven't seen any records or stats, but I would expect there are far more inadvertent "morning after" drink drivers than intentional drink drivers these days.

 

[MegaSteve]

Drink most days, yesterday I had a session. 1 bottle of 330 ml sol with lime ( part of me 5 a day). Just cannot get me head around those who can literally drown themselves in ale. How do they do it.

A 'session' for me nowadays is mostly just the one...

Recently attended a 're-union' though [pub crawl] visiting eight hostelries in the Greenwich area... A pint in each with a large chaser for the second half... Still got home with no issues on the DLR/tube/bus... Didn't imbibe for the following week to try for some balance...

If anyone is in London and they have a chance may I recommend any of the Camden ales on tap... Not sampled any of their bottled 'stuff' but on tap I was well impressed...

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If he can drink 20 pints in a sitting, I would suggest he has a problem.
As far as drink driving goes, it’s those older gents who get in the car after 2 pints that worry me more.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

All those judging and preaching, were in the op does it say the heavy drinker has a driving license?

Were does it give his family background and circumstances?

Maybe walk a mile in the blokes shoes before judging.

 

[Hobbit]

This^^^ - or his family will be visiting him serving time at Her Majesties pleasure

He also probably thinks he can drive perfectly well after 5 pints - in fact he'll tell you he drives better as his acuity is better. Until he kills a child who runs out into the road in front of him.

Wow, judgemental much!?

How you can tell the guys is a criminal and drink driver from such few clues is amazing! Have you offered your amazing services to the local constabulary?

I'm with Hogan on this one.

The original post said that the guy had a quiet night of only 12 pints because he had a customer to visit the following morning.

12 pints is 24 units, i.e. 2 units per pint.
The average male processes 1 unit per hour, therefore he would need 24 hours to process 24 units.
If he started drinking at 6pm and finished drinking at 10pm, and early night, he'd be necking 3 pints an hour = 6 units, of which he'd have processed 1 unit. He'd start the 2nd hour on 5 units and add another 6 units = 11 units, and process 1 unit during that hour. He's now on 10 units.

2 hours later, at 10pm, he's on 20 units. if he then processes 1 unit an hour, and leaves the house at 8am with 10 units(5 pints worth) in his system. The guy is well over the limit. He needs a further 6 hours processing time before he's down to less than 2 pints, 4 units, in his system and legal-ish to drive.

Even allowing for the rudimentary calculations, maybe even halve the units in his system due to some miracle of processing which is unlikely after all the abuse he's given his liver, he's still over the limit at 8am.

 

[Orikoru]

Hard to say, I don't usually like to drink endless pint after pint. Leaves me feeling bloated. I'd rather have 4-6 pints and then switch onto something else, like a vodka lemonade or spiced rum and coke. I would never entertain drinking close to 20 pints. At most probably 10.

 

[MegaSteve]

As far as drink driving goes, it’s those older gents who get in the car after 2 pints that worry me more.

Anyone that drives to the pub/club and intends to drive home after a couple pints is a danger irrespective of age...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm with Hogan on this one.

The original post said that the guy had a quiet night of only 12 pints because he had a customer to visit the following morning.

12 pints is 24 units, i.e. 2 units per pint.
The average male processes 1 unit per hour, therefore he would need 24 hours to process 24 units.
If he started drinking at 6pm and finished drinking at 10pm, and early night, he'd be necking 3 pints an hour = 6 units, of which he'd have processed 1 unit. He'd start the 2nd hour on 5 units and add another 6 units = 11 units, and process 1 unit during that hour. He's now on 10 units.

2 hours later, at 10pm, he's on 20 units. if he then processes 1 unit an hour, and leaves the house at 8am with 10 units(5 pints worth) in his system. The guy is well over the limit. He needs a further 6 hours processing time before he's down to less than 2 pints, 4 units, in his system and legal-ish to drive.

Even allowing for the rudimentary calculations, maybe even halve the units in his system due to some miracle of processing which is unlikely after all the abuse he's given his liver, he's still over the limit at 8am.

...indeed - and as you noted - he was going to visit a customer the following morning - though quite possible he'd have got the train and walked or cycled to the station.

 

[Orikoru]

Has anyone noticed that every thread about alcohol in here ends up talking about drink driving? Even if there was no suggestion of it in the first post at all. Bizarre.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

...indeed - and as you noted - he was going to visit a customer the following morning - though quite possible he'd have got the train and walked or cycled to the station.

That’s another assumption, the op says “He had a customer to see earlier today” not he was going to travel to see a customer, what if the customer was coming to him!

 

[Captainron]

I can get it going if I have my eye in and have a tradeshow season behind me. I don't stick to the beer as it can get very filling after a while so will go onto wine, rum and whisky if the mood takes me (and yes, stupidly, will mix them all over a night).

 

[Hobbit]

That’s another assumption, the op says “He had a customer to see earlier today” not he was going to travel to see a customer, what if the customer was coming to him!

If I had an employee with the equivalent of 5pints still inside of him, irrespective of whether or not he was driving, I wouldn’t be keen on him being in front of a customer or operating any machinery. Maybe he can put in a good shift the following day but he will smell of it, and no doubt with that history he will show signs of being a heavy drinker.

In the first instance it’s about supporting him getting his drinking to a level that didn’t impact his performance at work nor his health What he does when it isn’t a school night is up to him but at the very least he should be made aware that any signs of it at work aren’t acceptable.

 

[SaintHacker]

I used to be able to put it away a bit but nowadays my job means I can't take any risks. I have to breathalyse before starting work and the alcolocks are set far lower than the legal limit. A motorist can blow 34mg and be OK, if I blow 8mg (which is the lowest a breathalyser can detect) I'm out of a job pretty much there and then. So for me if I'm working next day its no booze.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That’s another assumption, the op says “He had a customer to see earlier today” not he was going to travel to see a customer, what if the customer was coming to him!

indeed - it is one of a number of scenario. Please don't pick holes where serious concerns are being expressed. The guy who drinks this much is some days going to be well over the limit the next day - and in that he poses a risk to public safety were he to drive. And in my experience guys who drink that volume are also quite confident in their ability to drive unaffected after - say - 5pints - indeed they will often tell you that they think their driving is actually better.

I have some experience of the terrible lives that the close family and loved ones of very heavy drinkers can have to live - and the damage that heavy drinking can do. It really is not something that we should talk of lightly, and it should never be dismissed as simply being something the drinker alone has to live and deal with. It is not.

 

[SaintHacker]

indeed - it is one of a number of scenario. Please don't pick holes where serious concerns are being expressed. The guy who drinks this much is some days going to be well over the limit the next day - and in that he poses a risk to public safety were he to drive. And in my experience guys who drink that volume are also quite confident in their ability to drive unaffected after - say - 5pints - indeed they will often tell you that they think their driving is actually better.

Where exactly does it say he's driving next day, or at all? He may not have a licence. I know plenty of drinkers who don't have a driving licence as its incompatible with their lifestyle.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Where exactly does it say he's driving next day, or at all? He may not have a licence. I know plenty of drinkers who don't have a driving licence as its incompatible with their lifestyle.

I did not suggest (or mean to suggest) that he was a driver - just that if he was a driver. Besides the risks associated with a very heavy - and regularly very heavy - drinker are much more than drink-driving.

 

[SaintHacker]

I did not suggest (or mean to suggest) that he was a driver - just that if he was a driver. Besides the risks associated with a very heavy - and regularly very heavy - drinker are much more than drink-driving.

Yes you did, you quite clearly stated that he probably thinks he is OK to drive after a load of beer, I'm not sure how much more of a clear insinuation its possible to make!

 

[chrisd]

After a golf match last year I sat with the two opponents, they chatted to me about their former work as draymen. Apparently every pub they delivered to would serve them up pints and food with the drinking starting at the first delivery. They said it wasn't unusual to have 20 pints in a day for 5 days a week and often drove back to the brewery blotto. If the publican didn't give them the required food or drink they would teach them a lesson by stacking the barrels in a way it would be very difficult for the publican to move the barrels.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I can drink four pints over a night and still feel quite sober.
This only happens about 2/3 times a year.
Most nights I generally have one can of beer or a dram/glass of wine before my tea/dinner/supper [wherever you live].

As an ex licencee in England and Scotland I am always aware that the guy/gal who has one drink a day at roughly the same time is much more likely to turn into an alcoholic than the guy/gal drinking the same amount [20 units] once a week in one sitting.

 

[MegaSteve]

Believe more and more places of work require a breath test which is not a bad thing...
Particularly when conveying members of the public...
Or, an error of judgement could effect a fellow workers safety...