How is it possible...

[kid2]

Evening all,
Been to the range this evening after a bit of a break from it...
Took my PW,6,4,3W and hybrid....
Iv been doing a bit of homework on Pro's that have out to in swings and Fred Couples popped up in a lot of sites...
I wasnt aware that he has an out to in swing and plays with a very strong grip to counter act this..

So it got me thinking if there really is a proper swing that we should try and use or just balance ourselves in other area's to try and nullify our "issues"...

So armed with that i decided to warm up as usual with my PW..
I closed the face at address,closed my stance, took a stronger grip on the club and was able to hit straight shots and alot with a small draw...
Then i went down through the clubs just in case it was pure fluke that because the wedge was lofted it may have been easier to do....
Well i was able to do the same all through my clubs...Now im not saying that all my shots were a thing of beauty i did have a few wayward ones but i was having alot of fun just messing aroud with my grip and my stance as well as taking the club away outside the line and taking it back inside...
I understand that this approach might not fit into the textbooks anywhere but surely im doing nothing bad...

By the way i also did this with open stance's and clubfaces and well as neutral...

Im just wondering seeing as alot look down on the out to in swingpath as the devils incarnation how was it possible for me to be able to hit all these shapes with my swingpath...

Food for thought maybe...

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Freddie Couples has a beautiful looking swing but it has some obvious flaws, taking back on the outside being just one.

The bottom line about the golf swing is that the only thing you have to do is deliver the clubhead back to the ball in the right position, or at least a position that hits the ball straight. There is no one way to do that and if you watch enough of the European and PGA tours you'll see lots of variations.

The key thing is to find a way that works for you.

 

[JustOne]

Iv been doing a bit of homework on Pro's that have out to in swings and Fred Couples popped up in a lot of sites...
I wasnt aware that he has an out to in swing and plays with a very strong grip to counter act this..

I think you are confusing what is an out-to-in swing path with 'hitting the ball from the inside' and an 'over the top' swing. Couples plays a push-fade which requires hitting the ball from the inside.

 

[EZprophet]

Like Hawkeye said there are lots of different ways to swing a golf club to achieve the same result.

Freddie Couples may not have a "text book" swing, but he can get away with it because of his gift for timing it.

The difference between Freddies swing and someone with a "good swing" is that a good swing is less reliant on timing to hit the ball well.

Someone like Francesco Molinari has a swing that no matter how bad his timing is off on the day, hes never going to hit it THAT bad.

Whereas someone like Phil Mickelson has a swing which you would call a "bad" swing (its all relative remember!!) because his swing is hugely reliant on his timing, and unfortunately for Phil, he does seem to have some timing issues... So when Phil has an off day with his timing, he REALLY has an off day with his ball striking.

I guess my point is that while you can hit the ball well on the range trying loads of different swings, what you are looking for is a swing that you can hit the ball well with consistently, and isnt reliant on timing everything perfectly.

The reason why every once in a while some 18 handicappers will smash a drive 275 down the middle with a slight draw like a pro, is because on that shot, they managed to time everything in their swing perfectly and returned the club to the right place at impact... the reason why they cant do it every time is because the swing they have requires them to time it perfectly to do that, and when they dont time it, it goes all over the place.

 

[Robobum]

As Just one said you maybe confusing Couples' action.

This video explains it well from about 1 minute onwards in slo mo (ignore the chopper at the start!)

It's not a good one to refer to for an out to in as he has a pretty unique move right at the top of his backswing where he just seems to have stopped going up with the club but keeps turning the shoulders to be able to get the club to start coming down from the inside.

Great to watch, nigh on impossible to recreate. But then maybe that move is the stem of all his back problems.

 

[bobmac]

Kid, you are doing what I've done for over 30 years.

If your swing path is out to in by 10 degrees when you are standing square to your target, it makes sense that if you aim your body 10 degrees right, your swingpath will become straight.
Couple that with a stronger grip and perhaps a slightly closed clubface, there's no surprise your now hitting it straight or with a slight draw.
As I said, I've been doing it for years. Aim a bit right swing out to in and point the clubface in the same direction as the swingpath.

Job's done.
I'm not saying it works for everyone as people's swing s are very out to in. But if you're having fun with it, go for it.

 

[kid2]

Iv been doing a bit of homework on Pro's that have out to in swings and Fred Couples popped up in a lot of sites...
I wasnt aware that he has an out to in swing and plays with a very strong grip to counter act this..

I think you are confusing what is an out-to-in swing path with 'hitting the ball from the inside' and an 'over the top' swing. Couples plays a push-fade which requires hitting the ball from the inside.

Is that why his back is giving him so much trouble James?
Not saying that this is whats happening to me but im crippled with mine lately....

 

[kid2]

Kid, you are doing what I've done for over 30 years.

If your swing path is out to in by 10 degrees when you are standing square to your target, it makes sense that if you aim your body 10 degrees right, your swingpath will become straight.
Couple that with a stronger grip and perhaps a slightly closed clubface, there's no surprise your now hitting it straight or with a slight draw.
As I said, I've been doing it for years. Aim a bit right swing out to in and point the clubface in the same direction as the swingpath.

Job's done.
I'm not saying it works for everyone as people's swing s are very out to in. But if you're having fun with it, go for it.

Cheers Bob...
Its just the back is playing up again on me...
I just need to get some fluidity in my swing.

It was fun though qatching the flight changing...

 

[JustOne]

Iv been doing a bit of homework on Pro's that have out to in swings and Fred Couples popped up in a lot of sites...
I wasnt aware that he has an out to in swing and plays with a very strong grip to counter act this..

I think you are confusing what is an out-to-in swing path with 'hitting the ball from the inside' and an 'over the top' swing. Couples plays a push-fade which requires hitting the ball from the inside.

Is that why his back is giving him so much trouble James?
Not saying that this is whats happening to me but im crippled with mine lately....

He does have a big twist at the top of his swing which probably doesn't help. He takes the club outside the line and then drops it back inside. If he took the club up on plane (to avoid the adjustment) he may never have been the player that he was (is). He also stands quite tall which puts more strain on your back if you are trying to turn your shoulders.

Couples isn't the only golfer to have a bad back, millions of golfers suffer from incorrectly adding stress to the wrong parts of the body... especially the back and knees.