How good is your short game?

[garyinderry]

I think the lower h/caps expect to get up and down more often than say the 15 and above who may just settle for on the green and 2 putts.
But a missed par save through either a poor chip or a missed putt can have a huge impact on not only your mood for the next tee shot but a dent in confidence for the next time you miss a green.
So not just a shot dropped but the potential to spoil the whole day.
This IMO is where the tour pros excel, not only in how good they are around the greens but also their ability to recover and birdie the next hole when they make bogey (The bounce back stat I believe its called)

agree with all of this. the bounce back for the handicap player is a par. once you take a double, its trying to follow it up with a par/net par that makes the difference. don't compound the error.

handicap players cant make birdies on demand no matter how hard we try!


as far as up and downs are concerned. I mentioned this during the week. its a real game builder to miss greens early doors and still walk off at level par. much better than a lag putt and tap in. it gets your tail up ! :mmm:

 

[mcbroon]

Sorry but you lost me there, chomper?

It was a poor joke - a reference to a forumer, no longer with us, who used to call high handicappers chompers. Some people didn't take kindly to it.

 

[drs1878]

Rubbish....... I am not a bad putter but don't give myself a chance.....

2+ net yesterday.... Didn't hit 1 GIR.... Had a putt at par most holes but from outside 10ft most times.... Chipping practice required!!

 

[Simbo]

The no.1 player on the PGA tour for Scrambling is 65.41%. The PGA tour average is about 56%.

I think a few folk on here would get a fright if they found out what their actual Scrambling percentage is.

Makes the forum distance threads look modest by comparison.

Scrambling is totally different from what the OP asked!! He said just missed the green and not in any serious trouble, bushes, bunkers, trees etc. scrambling takes those into account,

The average for 5 and under is about 35% from 5-15 that almost halfs! Huge difference.


But from just off the green which I would take it to be within 20 feet or so I reckon this percentages would go up quite a bit.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

OK, even from just off the green I think a lot of people are being a bit optimistic about their stats. Assuming a completely flat green and a nice lie then sure, people may/will get up and down most of the time. But throw in a few contours, tricky pins, poor lies etc and anyone doing better than 75% has a very good short game.

 

[richart]

OK, even from just off the green I think a lot of people are being a bit optimistic about their stats. Assuming a completely flat green and a nice lie then sure, people may/will get up and down most of the time. But throw in a few contours, tricky pins, poor lies etc and anyone doing better than 75% has a very good short game.

Tut tut, you are judging forumers by your short game.

 

[Simbo]

OK, even from just off the green I think a lot of people are being a bit optimistic about their stats. Assuming a completely flat green and a nice lie then sure, people may/will get up and down most of the time. But throw in a few contours, tricky pins, poor lies etc and anyone doing better than 75% has a very good short game.

Agreed

 

[Foxholer]

My stats for this condition in my last were 8 from 10. That's better than normal.

Less good from further out though - 0 from 5 up and downs.

Pretty obvious where practice required!

 

[Slime]

See below (double posted)!

Slime.

 

[Slime]

From just of the green & not in too much trouble I reckon I'd get up & down about 10-15% of the time!
Partly because my chipping is rubbish & partly because my putting is rubbish ............................ and that's only because I'm a rubbish golfer!
I still love it though & always try to play with a smile on my face because I am well aware of my own limitations, of which there are many!


Slime.

 

[Ian_S]

In relation to what? By most standards, it's pretty poor. However, for a 20 handicapper it's probably pretty good. I made 5 of 11 'up and down' opportunities today.

I have recently started trialling a 'strokes-gained' method to my short game, partly as a good way to set expectations and also to see where I am losing most strokes. If my first 'short game' shot is a putt (so if my 100+ yard approach shot hit the green) I expect to average 2.1 putts (that's two 3-putts per 18 holes - a level not unrealistic for a 20 handicap golfer). If I'm just off the green, I expect up and down 25% of the time (a number that sounds low but, again, from researching stats is around the level most 20 handicappers manage) and if I'm further off (30-50 yards) players of my level miss the green roughly 25% of the time.

That gives me three baseline numbers of 2.1, 2.75 and 3.25 to work with, although I'm free to adjust if I feel it needs it. Today I took 47 'short game strokes' against a baseline expectation of 48.4 - so I gained 1.4 strokes to my handicap level with my short game. Unfortunately my long game lost me those 1.4 as I shot 36 pts.

I've not worked out yet what handicap level my short game was today, but it was certainly the better part of my game (6 gross pars with only 2 GIRs).

 

[kid2]

agree with all of this. the bounce back for the handicap player is a par. once you take a double, its trying to follow it up with a par/net par that makes the difference. don't compound the error.

handicap players cant make birdies on demand no matter how hard we try!


as far as up and downs are concerned. I mentioned this during the week. its a real game builder to miss greens early doors and still walk off at level par. much better than a lag putt and tap in. it gets your tail up ! :mmm:

Agree with both of these statements......
If im scrambling well then my confidence is sky high and i dont care whether i miss a green or not...... A scramble for me rather than a lag put par all day long....... Its more adventurous too.....:lol:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Tut tut, you are judging forumers by your short game.

That was uncalled for Richard :sbox:

 

[MizunoMike]

It was a poor joke - a reference to a forumer, no longer with us, who used to call high handicappers chompers. Some people didn't take kindly to it.

I have heard folk getting called a lot worse than that on the forum, first time I have heard that word normally Chopper but not Chomper.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

My problem if you look at the stats would be missing too many greens. I only hit 51% of fairways in regulation so it makes GIR hard playing from rough so often but truth be told even from the short grass I can still miss. Once I do I struggle to get up and down often enough so while it isn't exactly compounding the error, it is hardly saving the situation either

 

[sawtooth]

We all miss greens, some just off the edge but some badly...... in bushes, bunkers trees etc.
But when you've just missed the green and are not in trouble as above, how often do you get up and down...say as a percentage?

And how important are those 'up and downs' for the momentum of your round ?

About 30-40% of the time Certainly room for big improvement.