JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
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Wot Ethan said, PLUS... all comps should be drawn so the same people don't play with their 'mates' all the time and have those sneaky little drops in the rough that lead to a double turning back into a par
How Do You Make Comps Fair For Everyone
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Wot Ethan said, PLUS... all comps should be drawn so the same people don't play with their 'mates' all the time and have those sneaky little drops in the rough that lead to a double turning back into a par
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
PLUS... all comps should be drawn so the same people don't play with their 'mates' all the time and have those sneaky little drops in the rough that lead to a double turning back into a par
Agreed this does happen but our Midweek comps are roll-ups. Always play with either Fragger and/or CVG. We never manipulate scores and we're quite often high up the finishing table.
Fyldewhite
Tour Winner
Just to blow the myth of "high handicapper winning everything" out of the water, we have a 14 round StaBleford league running all summer on Wednesdays, best 5 scores to count. We have one week left and the top five include a 3 handicapper (winning at moment), a 6 handicapper (me, in 5th) and the other 3 off between 9 and 12. It's similar every year and is open right up to 28 handicappers but the 20+ men may shoot the odd score but never figure in the prizes.
The handicap system is designed around statistics and works better the more scores are sibmitted. The problem is that far too many clubs play too few competitions and far too many players play too few competitions. At our club (and no doubt most) this has never been a problem.
The handicap system is designed around statistics and works better the more scores are sibmitted. The problem is that far too many clubs play too few competitions and far too many players play too few competitions. At our club (and no doubt most) this has never been a problem.
freddielong
Tour Winner
The only way to make it fair is to make everything gross score, then the best golfer or the golfer who actally shot the best score wins how can anything be fairer than that.
You can not make the handicap system fair as it is not supposed to be fair
You can not make the handicap system fair as it is not supposed to be fair
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
But how long will any player with a handicap of 12 or above keep entering scratch competitions against low single figure players? They havn't got a chance of winning or even getting close if its scratch. I'll agree the best golfer will win but at smaller clubs like mine it'll be the same 3 or 4 winning every time.
Everyone has a pinnacle in their golf ability. Some will only ever get to low 20's even if they practice and get coached every day. Some will get to + handicaps and go on to be professionals.
The handicap system isn't perfect by any means but its the fairest way at the moment.
freddielong
Tour Winner
The question was how to make competitions fair not how to keep everyone happy, things are only fair imo if the winner is the winner, not the guy who beat his usual score by 15 shots.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
But you have to keep people happy or there wont be any comptitions because nobody will enter if they can't win.
The fairest competition we can have in golf is if everyone has a chance of winning - not necessarily an equal chance but a chance.
You're a + handicapper Freddie?
How would you like to play comps against a Tour Pro every week. How many times would you win?
The fairest competition we can have in golf is if everyone has a chance of winning - not necessarily an equal chance but a chance.
You're a + handicapper Freddie?
How would you like to play comps against a Tour Pro every week. How many times would you win?
freddielong
Tour Winner
I would have to work harder
If you want to make things fair you would have to come up with something that worked out a percentage below your handicap rather than an actual score maybe on a less than full allocation.
As it is if I want to win the average club comp I have to look at the course record or lower is that fair ?
If you want to make things fair you would have to come up with something that worked out a percentage below your handicap rather than an actual score maybe on a less than full allocation.
As it is if I want to win the average club comp I have to look at the course record or lower is that fair ?
Wrong question.
I'd love to play Tour pros every week. Sod the chance of winning, but wouldn't it be great.
The thing about making things fair is to have different catagories.
Who won the London marathon most recently ?
I'd say Kebede. But Paula Radcliffe would probably say Shobukhova.
And what about Cassidy or Tsuchida? Their achievements are down in the record books as well.
There should be handicap winners in every competition except one. The yearly Club Champion should be the guy who played, on the day/s, the best golf. I always think a 36 hole, two day competion off scratch works best for that.
But apart from that, mix it up a bit. You never know, people might start playing the game for fun.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
I'd agree with that. I'd love to play with low cat1 players every week. It wouldn't bother me if I was last all the time, it would just drive me on to get better. But then I don't care about winning, just lowering my h'cap.
richart
Major Champion
Shot a 63 net of 12 in last medal and was beaten into second place by a net 58 off 19 !!.A net 65/66 (par 69) is normally good enough to win our medals. In the following stableford off 11 got 41 points and won on count back on last hole !
Mid handicappers can have their day, just hope that no one has an even better one.
Mid handicappers can have their day, just hope that no one has an even better one.
19th
Head Pro
If i can start with a complaint..Justone.. I have played all my golfing life, circa fifty years, in groups of friends and have never, thats NEVER(!), seen any hint of cheating. OK, I have only played throughout Scotland and maybe we play differently to golfers in England. If you experience this and you must have to express your feelings this way, I trust you would let them know that they are no longer a friend of yours!
Imurg..I agree with you that no handicap system means no competitions throughout the season apart from the club championship.
Freddie.. I would find it hard to tee up on a Saturday with my playing partner and expect to give him a good game without a handicap, he is off +3 which I am afraid to say, is too good for me. As we only have a few players scratch or better they would end up in each others company each week and justone would then be on their case!
Imurg..I agree with you that no handicap system means no competitions throughout the season apart from the club championship.
Freddie.. I would find it hard to tee up on a Saturday with my playing partner and expect to give him a good game without a handicap, he is off +3 which I am afraid to say, is too good for me. As we only have a few players scratch or better they would end up in each others company each week and justone would then be on their case!
19th
Head Pro
I refer to my above offering and take back my NEVER(!) as I did encounter one incident at Glenbervie a long time ago and as it was the Falkirk Royal Bank manager that was involved, it does not count, as I think we now all realise what bank managers are!
edgey
Assistant Pro
Hi
At our club Div 1/2 play on one Saturday and Div 3/4 another. We only ever play together in certain club comps. This seems to work perfectly
Edgey
At our club Div 1/2 play on one Saturday and Div 3/4 another. We only ever play together in certain club comps. This seems to work perfectly
Edgey
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I do agree with Imurg though that if everything was run off scratch then club competitions would cease. We found it hard enough to get decent monthly medal fields until we divisionalised it. I can't see a logical answer to the OP but like others I'm more worried about my ownperformance and the effect +/- it has on my handicap. If I happen to sneak a few good finishes into the bargain its a bonus
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
The only way to make comps fair is to have divisional prizes, as low h/caps don't have the potential for ludicrously low net scores.
AuburnWarrior
Tour Winner
Why not?
Surely, if a 20 handicapper can have a stormer of a game and shot 10 below his handicap then so can a 10 handicapper. Why can't a scratch golfer shoot ten below their handicap?
I see pros on tour do it and they're off scratch - no-one calls them a bandit.
Everyone's entitled to their day - be it a 28 handicapper or a scratch player.
Or am I wrong?
Ethan
Money List Winner
You are wrong.
Higher handicaps have a higher variability in their scores, the range of possible scores is wider, so the extreme low score they shoot are lower relative to handicap than for better players whose variability is less.
AuburnWarrior
Tour Winner
But surely, every entrant to the 'Golf Monthly August medal', when stood on the first tee, has an equal chance of shooting 10 under their handicap?
RGDave
Money List Winner
They can, but in the case of my club, that would mean beating the course record (set by a pro) by 4 shots.
It's not going to happen.
Although I can't explain it in words, it strikes me that it's harder for the scratch player to endlessly keep knocking on the door for birdies than an 18 h'cap to make a lot of pars (net birdie) on a good day.
Maybe someone would like to comment....
