Handicap manipulation - how to address

[Colin L]

Nope - pre WHS any scorecards for handicap put in the box were checked when entering into the ISV

Perhaps that was the practice at your club but hear what is being said: it wasn't a requirement and it wasn't necessarily being done elsewhere. . If it was the practice at your place, could you explain what checking actually meant? What did the "checker" do?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

What checking do you imagine went on?

The same as any check on any scorecard

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Perhaps that was the practice at your club but hear what is being said: it wasn't a requirement . If it was the practice, could you explain what checking actually meant?

Blimey coming from all comings

Yes the scorecard was checked when it was put into the box

And all standard checks on a scorecard

 

[wjemather]

The same as any check on any scorecard

Yes the scorecard was checked when it was put into the box

And all standard checks on a scorecard

Can you please give details of these checks.

Did they go beyond being able to identify the player, checking gross hole scores existed (to input), and checking there were two (probably illegible) signatures?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Can you please give details of these checks.

Did they go beyond being able to identify the player, checking gross hole scores existed (to input), and checking there were two (probably illegible) signatures?

Yes standard scorecard checks

First make sure they actually played that day by checking the book that they signed in on ( and tee sheet )

Two names on the scorecard

Two signatures

Date time

Tee ticked

Gross scores

Confirm with players for any inconsistencies and also check score history to see if something sticks out

Hope that helps

 

[Colin L]

How did you "check" gross scores?
What happened if there weren't two names on the card or the date or time were missing or the tee wasn't ticked..
What sort of inconsistencies were you looking for?
What might "stick out" in the player's score history?

 

[doublebogey7]

Yes standard scorecard checks

First make sure they actually played that day by checking the book that they signed in on ( and tee sheet )

Two names on the scorecard

Two signatures

Date time

Tee ticked

Gross scores

Confirm with players for any inconsistencies and also check score history to see if something sticks out

Hope that helps

How is that any more help in avoiding manipulation than what committee's should be doing today, all be it without having to enter the score on the system or actually attending the club.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

How is that any more help in avoiding manipulation than what committee's should be doing today, all be it without having to enter the score on the system or actually attending the club.

Will go back to the original statement

The EG App has made it a bit easier to manipulate your handicap

 

[doublebogey7]

Will go back to the original statement

The EG App has made it a bit easier to manipulate your handicap

That is just a statement without evidence and does not answer my question.

 

[Dunesman]

It’s designed to fluctuate rapidly to the players form and can go up or down rapidly.
That’s a good thing if used properly.

Fast response to scores does not mean it is more accurate or any more representative of form.
It might give that illusion, but if the underlying form is not changing, but the handicap is, then that is a less accurate system.

 

[rulie]

Fast response to scores does not mean it is more accurate or any more representative of form.
It might give that illusion, but if the underlying form is not changing, but the handicap is, then that is a less accurate system.

"Form" is not a day-to-day constant, hence the HI needs to somewhat reflect that variability.
Players who don't put sufficient scores into their scoring record can have their HI significantly different than their current "form".

 

[AussieKB]

HI or DH?

HI

 

[clubchamp98]

Fast response to scores does not mean it is more accurate or any more representative of form.
It might give that illusion, but if the underlying form is not changing, but the handicap is, then that is a less accurate system.

I didn’t say it was .
I used that to show how easy it was to cheat the system.
As my full post explains!

 

[rulefan]

HI

How did it affect your DH?

 

[Dunesman]

I didn’t say it was .
I used that to show how easy it was to cheat the system.
As my full post explains!

Sorry, I am agreeing with you actually. I was more expanding on the false illusion that up and down score give for accuracy.
I should have prefaced my poet with a 'yes'

 

[Dunesman]

"Form" is not a day-to-day constant, hence the HI needs to somewhat reflect that variability.
Players who don't put sufficient scores into their scoring record can have their HI significantly different than their current "form".

Form is a day to day constant. Thats one of the fundamental mistakes in WHS - scope for significant HI index coupled with no limit on cards other than maybe a practical two per day, Form or needed HI to comoete fairly doesnt change in a day, or even a week. The extra 1 or 2 shot reduction handles the dramatic improver. But nobody elses for in the nirmal course, need their HI to move up or down more than maybe 0.1 per week.

 

[Colin L]

Form is a day to day constant.

You haven’t seen my golf.

 

[Dunesman]

You haven’t seen my golf.

Exactly. Thats just natural variation, nit form !

 

[AussieKB]

lost a shot then got it back, so back on 5

 

[rulefan]

Form is a day to day constant.

You are obviously not a mid/high capper. My club's fiddles, which play 2 or 3 times a week, are notably erratic for such players. They regularly have some players returning scores 10 (or more) at variance between consecutive rounds.