Hahahahahahaha - Aimpoint

[Papas1982]

I got much less from SAM than Aimpoint for similar outlay

Thats the beauty of lessons. We all need different ones.

Mine showed me just how awful my technique was. From grip, to stroke. Now I feel I can actually putt straight which is obviously helpful lol

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

There aren't many variables Gordon. My perception of a 1% slope may be your 2% but so long as you consistently measure it to your callibration then you have YOUR system. The fingers are for each 1% and certainly if the instructor says it's a 1% putt and you read it as a 5% then you'd be pursuaded to re calibrate. There are certain bits that you learn I have never heard mentioned that also help the correct read.

Sorry Chris but there is just too much guesswork to convince me. I can already make a reasonable guess at the correct line without spending any cash. I'm not a great putter but I'm probably better than most on here and I generally get the ball to tap in range from distance.

 

[chrisd]

Sorry Chris but there is just too much guesswork to convince me. I can already make a reasonable guess at the correct line without spending any cash. I'm not a great putter but I'm probably better than most on here and I generally get the ball to tap in range from distance.

I've played with you so I know how genuine you are and, I agree ,it'd do little for you ...... but for Me!

 

[JohnnyDee]

I've played with you so I know how genuine you are and, I agree ,it'd do little for you ...... but for Me!

Have to say that I'm with Gordon on this too, Chris. I'll stick by my natural putting ability such as it is.

I've played with you and you play well and seemed to putt pretty well too if I remember correctly. I reckon your natural ability, acquired over the years, is the dominant factor in your putting - and maybe could it not just be that your belief in AP just gives you an extra layer of comfort? Not saying that's a bad thing either.

 

[chrisd]

Have to say that I'm with Gordon on this too, Chris. I'll stick by my natural putting ability such as it is.

I've played with you and you play well and seemed to putt pretty well too if I remember correctly. I reckon your natural ability, acquired over the years, is the dominant factor in your putting - and maybe could it not just be that your belief in AP just gives you an extra layer of comfort? Not saying that's a bad thing either.

I actually haven't had the pleasure Johnny but I just don't get the universal criticism from people of a system that they don't need to, or want to, try

Love a game sometime my friend

 

[JohnnyDee]

I actually haven't had the pleasure Johnny but I just don't get the universal criticism from people of a system that they don't need to, or want to, try

Love a game sometime my friend

Ah, I thought we did at Camberley Heath that day, or Hayling once - but maybe not. I'm getting old and the old memory is failing.:mmm:

I haven't tried it but in my Captain's year my Pro used it in our C&P challenges so I had ample opportunity to observe it in acton.

Seems too fiddly to me, and like Gordon, I believe that I can rely on whatever ability I have when putting.

But stress I'm not against it - just not convinced.

Maybe we'll get paired at Forest Pines or if not we can sort something.:thup:

 

[Khamelion]

The issue I have with aimpoint is there are just too many variables. A 1% slope to one person is a 2 or 3% slope to someone else. A slightly bent arm to one person is a pretty bent arm to another. I have small hands so do I use 1, 2 or 3 fingers?

You use what is appropriate to you. Aimpoint gives you the technique it's up to you how you tune it to be personal to you. People are getting hung up, fat fingers, skinny fingers, how far to bend your arm, as I've just written, you get shown the technique, you develop that how you see fit. In essence there is only one variable and that is you.

There aren't many variables Gordon. My perception of a 1% slope may be your 2% but so long as you consistently measure it to your callibration then you have YOUR system. .

That's it summed up nicely.

 

[3565]

I know what aimpoint is for!
But people are saying it has improved their putting. They dont state whether that's stroke or aim. But that they have lowered their total putts.

So instead of trying to condescend and come over all clever.

Explain in to me how if someone has a consistent game tee to green wouldn't see their handicap lower if they're putting (total numbers) was consistently lower than before hand.

Condescending and clever, what like most that have had a go on a system that works and to a person who put a video up to give his insight on it!

I've just asked you similar to what your trying to ask but I'm the one being condescending and clever???

Last 3 rounds I've averaged 1.6 putts per green and last round it was 1.2 but from shots gained I've lost out to a scratch player in putting. so take out what you will from them stats but I've gone from 2.5 to 2.1 so yes with the new expensive wand in my hand, the Aimpoint, constant practise on my stroke technique with Blast Motion and hitting hours of putts on the practise green, ALL those factors have contributed to me improving my putting........

Did I mention the hours of chipping I do, endless balls I hit on the range and in the net, that don't really contribute to my lowering of my HC, just green reading does!!


Now I'm being condescending.

 

[Papas1982]

Condescending and clever, what like most that have had a go on a system that works and to a person who put a video up to give his insight on it!

I've just asked you similar to what your trying to ask but I'm the one being condescending and clever???

Last 3 rounds I've averaged 1.6 putts per green and last round it was 1.2 but from shots gained I've lost out to a scratch player in putting. so take out what you will from them stats but I've gone from 2.5 to 2.1 so yes with the new expensive wand in my hand, the Aimpoint, constant practise on my stroke technique with Blast Motion and hitting hours of putts on the practise green, ALL those factors have contributed to me improving my putting........

Did I mention the hours of chipping I do, endless balls I hit on the range and in the net, that don't really contribute to my lowering of my HC, just green reading does!!


Now I'm being condescending.

I didn't once criticise homer. Or the system.

I asked one one simple question whilst fully appreciating what aimpoint is for. I just asked for clarity on if they hand tangeable proof it had improved their game. As opposed to just feeling it had.

I really couldn't care less what your handicap was, is or how you got there. But feel free to wax lyrical about how wonderful your game is and I'll hang on every word......

 

[Val]

well it's such a stupid thread.

Yip

 

[3565]

I didn't once criticise homer. Or the system.

I asked one one simple question whilst fully appreciating what aimpoint is for. I just asked for clarity on if they hand tangeable proof it had improved their game. As opposed to just feeling it had.

I really couldn't care less what your handicap was, is or how you got there. But feel free to wax lyrical about how wonderful your game is and I'll hang on every word......

Where did I say that you critised Homer or the system. You said I was being condescending but others have said a lot worse yet you took it that It was directed towards you! That's Your problem!!

Being aware of you wanting 'clarity' I've posted that it's not just putting but everything else contributes to you lowering scores that Game Golf has shown, and proof of recent putting stats (good or bad) but now I'm waxing......

you either want proof or not! Which is it?

 

[Papas1982]

Where did I say that you critised Homer or the system. You said I was being condescending but others have said a lot worse yet you took it that It was directed towards you! That's Your problem!!

Being aware of you wanting 'clarity' I've posted that it's not just putting but everything else contributes to you lowering scores that Game Golf has shown, and proof of recent putting stats (good or bad) but now I'm waxing......

you either want proof or not! Which is it?

If someone responds and quotes me then I tend to think something is said with me in mind. Maybe that's not the case. Although post 126 would suggest it was not for anyone else......

you said in your last response you were being condescending. Hence the accusation of you waxing lyrical about your wonderful improvements.

If your initial repsonse had simply been the stats you later mentioned I'd have tipped my hat and acknowledged them. But it wasn't. You decided to imply I didn't know what aimpoint was intended for. Trying to imply I had no grasp of the concept. Which clearly wasn't the case.

Anyways. This has gone way off track.

For the record cord as mentioned previously. I wasn't on here to mock aimpoint. Simply curious how many people had seen tangeable improvements. Which yourself and a few others have seen.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I've played my course so many times I don't need to read anything...

MAybe just some books, preferably not Janet and John, and ones with big paragraphs, Pad.

 

[garyinderry]

What exactly do you do with the fingers thing? what am I pointing them at?

 

[3565]

If someone responds and quotes me then I tend to think something is said with me in mind. Maybe that's not the case. Although post 126 would suggest it was not for anyone else......

you said in your last response you were being condescending. Hence the accusation of you waxing lyrical about your wonderful improvements.

If your initial repsonse had simply been the stats you later mentioned I'd have tipped my hat and acknowledged them. But it wasn't. You decided to imply I didn't know what aimpoint was intended for. Trying to imply I had no grasp of the concept. Which clearly wasn't the case.

Anyways. This has gone way off track.

For the record cord as mentioned previously. I wasn't on here to mock aimpoint. Simply curious how many people had seen tangeable improvements. Which yourself and a few others have seen.

I was merely pointing out that imo I wasn't being condescending but to prove a point that if needed to I can be or mores the point sarcastic then condescending, I'm far from that.
I'm the first to help anyone who wants to take the time to speak one on one if they are genuinely interested to know more and have done in the past with one or two from here. But there are a lot of sceptics that just want to chime in and discredit it with no intention to want to understand it and have a go at those who do use it. So to cypher the cynics out and answer the genuine becomes impossible. There's a whole host of threads I don't comment on because it either doesn't interest me, or I'm not informed on the subject so I'm not going to post, but I suppose you'll always get those who will to stir it up instead.

If you took my initial post personally I apologise as it wasn't aimed at yourself but what you put saying about wonderful putting technique has nothing to do with Aimpoint. AP reading or normal reading is a very small cog that's needed with a bunch of other parts that's needed to get the ball into the hole. Without one, you'll miss. Simple as that.

 

[BristolMike]

It seems like (and I may be wrong) that the people who have said aimpoint has improved their putting have also said they have practiced their putting a lot more to ingrain the system.

Is the improvement more down to the practice? I've not gone through the aimpoint system but when ever I put any time into my putting it improves massively

 

[Three]

Well I endured, sorry watched 😉 the video all the way through. So now there's a real person behind the forum name, I don't wish to knock Homer at all but here's my take on it....

As I've always said, I think the Aimpoint method is maybe OK for people without basic green-reading ability, I think all 3 of the putts in the video proved that as they all looked pretty obvious to me.

What the video also shows is that there is no magic to knowing the speed of each individual putt, that has to be judged on merit each time.

What it also shows is that you still have to hit the putt where you want to, looks like the first one was pulled.

So, irrespective of how you read the speed and break, you still have to hit the ball on a line and at a speed that combine effectively.

Homer, one constructive suggestion, reduce the length of the videos by about 80%. Get rid of the waffle and repetition, make them more to the point for the modern YouTube viewer.

 

[Three]

It seems like (and I may be wrong) that the people who have said aimpoint has improved their putting have also said they have practiced their putting a lot more to ingrain the system.

Is the improvement more down to the practice? I've not gone through the aimpoint system but when ever I put any time into my putting it improves massively

Great point 👍

 

[guest100718]

MAybe just some books, preferably not Janet and John, and ones with big paragraphs, Pad.

peter and jane and pat the dog

 

[3565]

It seems like (and I may be wrong) that the people who have said aimpoint has improved their putting have also said they have practiced their putting a lot more to ingrain the system.

Is the improvement more down to the practice? I've not gone through the aimpoint system but when ever I put any time into my putting it improves massively

A 2 way street really. You practise your reading skills that you obtain from the AP course, get your Aimpoint thru your valuation of slope, you have your point that you aim at and all that's required is good stroke and speed. So it's a bit of both really.