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100% this, the guy asked for advice on a particular shot. Not to be told to take on a different shot all together.
Flop shot issues
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100% this, the guy asked for advice on a particular shot. Not to be told to take on a different shot all together.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Well, you might prefer to learn those with a good probability of success. I can't hit a 2 iron off a tight downhill lie but I have no plans to try either.
The actual return of high tariff flop shots is low and not even many pros try them.
Joff
Challenge Tour Pro
And what is the desired handicap that it is ok to start using the flop shot?! What if he's already used his shot on the hole and still not on the green? Then the flop shot becomes important.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
if you have a 60 in the bag then there is very few instances where you would have to lay the club flat open. 60 is plenty of loft for most shots around the green. use the loft. I cant remember the last time I hit a Hollywood flop.
even if behind a bunker to tight pin. I might open the 60 a bit but laying it flat is asking for trouble.
even if behind a bunker to tight pin. I might open the 60 a bit but laying it flat is asking for trouble.
lyden
Head Pro
I appreciate handicaps are the only indication of someones talent we have to go by but its certainly not definitive. Flop shots have saved me more strokes than they have cost me and i pretty much never thin them.
Tight lies are much tougher but i concentrate of hinging my wrists early in the backswing and sliding the club under the ball this will pop it up. If i want to play it into the gods ill open the clubface and swing massively out to in while doing the above this helps avoid shanking and blading it. When my pro taught me this shot i didnt have a handicap and i was probably playing to about 21 but he obviously thought it neccesary.
Tight lies are much tougher but i concentrate of hinging my wrists early in the backswing and sliding the club under the ball this will pop it up. If i want to play it into the gods ill open the clubface and swing massively out to in while doing the above this helps avoid shanking and blading it. When my pro taught me this shot i didnt have a handicap and i was probably playing to about 21 but he obviously thought it neccesary.
Hollywood also do horror movies - by all means practice it but the risk and reward... I very rarely even attempt it, preferring to take the medicine... and there's nowt wrong with my short game.
Worth considering if you have a good card going. A chip on will still give the chance of a single putt but a duff will...
Nowt wrong with building it into your armoury but... maybe I'm a coward but its too costly for me.
Robobum
Money List Winner
It's no gauge to its suitability, but I don't entertain trying a flop unless there is no other possible option.
A safer chip and 2putt bogey and I can get that shot back easily. A blade across the green or a dunch in front of me and the double (at least) takes more rescuing.
To the OP, to groove the feeling again..........get on the practice green and start messing about without a target. I prefer my weight stays more centred but experiment. I'd also recommend start on an upslope and get the feeling of keeping the club head low after impact following the slope.
Then again that may be absolute rubbish, but works as a feeling for me
A safer chip and 2putt bogey and I can get that shot back easily. A blade across the green or a dunch in front of me and the double (at least) takes more rescuing.
To the OP, to groove the feeling again..........get on the practice green and start messing about without a target. I prefer my weight stays more centred but experiment. I'd also recommend start on an upslope and get the feeling of keeping the club head low after impact following the slope.
Then again that may be absolute rubbish, but works as a feeling for me
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
There is no desired handicap, if the OP wants to practice flop shots then who is anyone on here to tell him not to.
Whether it's a wise use of his time is another question because IMvHO, being able to execute a flop shot isn't going to reduce your h'cap. As Robobum said, the time to hit a flop shot is when there is absolutely no other option, and 999 times out of 1000 there is always another option.
I can play it. I can even play it well but I can also hit it fat or thin usually in a competitive round. My short game is flaky at the moment anyway so the chip and run option is invariably a safer option. I do practice from time to time usually to spice up the end of a short game session but it isn't something I dedicate loads of time to
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Well it's all kicked off a bit on here!
Firstly, I wasn't trying to put the OP down or be condescending in any way. The flop shot is extremely high tariff, numerous times I've see even pro's cock this shot up. As for amateurs having this shot in their bag, well best of luck with it. What do you reckon your chances are of getting a flop shot close enough to single putt? Maybe 2 or 3 times out of 10? The rest will be a 2 putt or possibly a 50 yard chip back from the other side of the green. But if you chip to the safe side of the green and 2 putt you take out all risk of a disaster score. So ask yourself, coming down the stretch in your monthly medal, good card going.....do you risk the flop shot or settle for bogey? It's a no-brainer decision for me.
But if you want to hit a flop shot then get yourself a 58 or 60* degree wedge (preferably with low bounce), put the ball slightly forward in your stance, open your stance a bit then really open up the club, break your wrists on the way back and play a full shot hitting down hard into the back of the ball.
Good luck :thup:
Firstly, I wasn't trying to put the OP down or be condescending in any way. The flop shot is extremely high tariff, numerous times I've see even pro's cock this shot up. As for amateurs having this shot in their bag, well best of luck with it. What do you reckon your chances are of getting a flop shot close enough to single putt? Maybe 2 or 3 times out of 10? The rest will be a 2 putt or possibly a 50 yard chip back from the other side of the green. But if you chip to the safe side of the green and 2 putt you take out all risk of a disaster score. So ask yourself, coming down the stretch in your monthly medal, good card going.....do you risk the flop shot or settle for bogey? It's a no-brainer decision for me.
But if you want to hit a flop shot then get yourself a 58 or 60* degree wedge (preferably with low bounce), put the ball slightly forward in your stance, open your stance a bit then really open up the club, break your wrists on the way back and play a full shot hitting down hard into the back of the ball.
Good luck :thup:
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
The most important thing about the flop shot is knowing when to use it. Be able to play it, practice it but using it at the right time trumps all.
Most of the time it's used it shouldn't be...
Most of the time it's used it shouldn't be...
ScienceBoy
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There is the reason why you are not consistent with this shot. Its very much they least wristy shot in golf!
It is all about loft retention, any wrist action is going to kill the upward motion and just ruin the shot.
Set the wrists on the way back and use the body, the motion needs to be very flat, a little bit more ground contact with a low bounce club is ideal. Imagine sliding the club under the ball with no wrist action at all after the set.
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Joff
Challenge Tour Pro
Flop shot, my favourite shot. Not much more satisfying than putting a full swing on a shot, then seeing the ball shoot upwards and land on the green like a butterfly with broken legs. That's golf for me. Not a boring chip to the left then a hopeful 2 putt for a bogey.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
this is the case on tight lies.
if it is on semi rough kind of sitting up. you can (if you want) hang back on it, lean the shaft away from the target to add even more loft and use a wristy action. you don't need to open the blade as much doing this !!
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garyinderry
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either very brave or very foolhardy trying a flop shot off a bare lie
by tight lie, I mean a nice fairway.
Khamelion
Tour Winner
Chip and run, I may.
I would rather get the ball airborne and rely of having the ball check up than chip and run it. I can't for the life of me read greens, I can read music, books, comics, road signs, even what kind of mood wor lass is in, but greens are taboo. So for me, getting the ball in the and landing it close and stopping is my favoured shot.
So I see nowt rang with the OP wanting to play the flop shot and to play devils advocate, why on earth would you want to chip and run to the far side of the green only to putt back in the direction you came from.
You're playing the course, don't let it win.
I would rather get the ball airborne and rely of having the ball check up than chip and run it. I can't for the life of me read greens, I can read music, books, comics, road signs, even what kind of mood wor lass is in, but greens are taboo. So for me, getting the ball in the and landing it close and stopping is my favoured shot.
So I see nowt rang with the OP wanting to play the flop shot and to play devils advocate, why on earth would you want to chip and run to the far side of the green only to putt back in the direction you came from.
You're playing the course, don't let it win.
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Hypothetical situation.................
You are short sided behind a bunker and there is a slope off the bunker running down to the flag. IF you get the flop shot right, it's going to pitch on the downslope and run across the green, probably leaving a 2 putt. If you get it wrong, you either chunk it into the bunker or skull it over the green. A normal chip to the safe part of the green will leave a 2 putt. Sure, the hollywood flop shot is fun to play but when it goes wrong you are looking at a big number.
Low handicap players will most likely chip to the safe part of the green
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
What sort of distance are we talking for these flop shots? Do you really use a full swing?
When I short side myself, around my place at least, I probably have 15-20' to carry the trouble, then 5 or 6' to stop the ball in. A slow half swing with my LW does the job. It doesn't go miles in the air but stops within 4 or 5'.
I find the best thought to have is keeping plenty of flex in my knees all through the swing, much like I would in a bunker.
When I short side myself, around my place at least, I probably have 15-20' to carry the trouble, then 5 or 6' to stop the ball in. A slow half swing with my LW does the job. It doesn't go miles in the air but stops within 4 or 5'.
I find the best thought to have is keeping plenty of flex in my knees all through the swing, much like I would in a bunker.
el marko
Head Pro
The way i played them is 45 degree open stance, and hit across the ball at a 45 degree angle so your basically hitting where your feet are facing, the open face will send the ball forward in the correct direction. If its a fluffly lie you can hit it so hard and itll only go 15ft infront just 1 mile up.
