Voyager EMH
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Flipping near miss... rant
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Mudball
Assistant Pro
So the OAP walking on the single carriage way was on her walk this morning during the school run.. This time, i was standstill in queue due to the traffic calming bit in front. As you can see cars have to go onto the other side of the road to get around her.
It is not so bat near this junction as the cars in the opposite side have plenty of visibilty. However, some more yards down the road there are plenty of blind turns where cars on either side cant see her. Also noticed too hot for a hi-viz today.
It is not so bat near this junction as the cars in the opposite side have plenty of visibilty. However, some more yards down the road there are plenty of blind turns where cars on either side cant see her. Also noticed too hot for a hi-viz today.
RichA
Well-known member
Genuinely not sure what you think she's doing that's unacceptable.
I admire her for getting out of her house for a walk. She probably doesn't fancy uneven public footpaths, with her obvious infirmity.
I admire her for getting out of her house for a walk. She probably doesn't fancy uneven public footpaths, with her obvious infirmity.
D
Deleted member 16999
Guest
Of course she has a right to be out and there may not be footpaths near her home, but maybe she could walk during a quieter period? Both for her safety and others.
RichA
Well-known member
If other road users use the roads appropriately, there shouldn't be a problem.
For argument's sake, what about any kids that are walking or cycling to school - what time of day should they choose?
For argument's sake, what about any kids that are walking or cycling to school - what time of day should they choose?
D
Deleted member 16999
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See post #6
Rooter
Money List Winner
Not sure what the issue is? All I can see here is a privileged car driver thinks he owns the road and no one else should be able to use it. Have I missed anything? Surprised you didn't apportion some blame/hatred toward cyclists while you were at it...
Mudball
Assistant Pro
RichA
Well-known member
Yep. That's something I wrote nearly 3 months ago. You might need to clarify what I'm looking for.See post #6
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Deleted member 16999
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Post 6 you rightly say everyone should take responsibility and highlight the fact that pedestrians are rarely investigated.
Post 65 appears to contradict that by introducing an irrelevant point.
RichA
Well-known member
I must be missing some hidden contradictory nuance that you're seeing.
D
Deleted member 16999
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You mentioned in post #6 you’ve cycled etc and had near miss’s, some were not your fault.
I believe any intelligent person would look at those situations and see if they can be avoided in the future, ie change your route or timings etc.
So when you replied with whataboutery in post 65 I was confused, the old woman, who I agree has a right to be there, could take some responsibility and maybe consider her timings, route etc to keep herself safe, where as the kids may have no or very a limited choice, unfortunately, as they’ll have no control over School hours or were they live.
RichA
Well-known member
I see. I didn't mention changing routes and timings. You've invented that bit.
I meant that I could have avoided near misses with drivers that weren't paying attention by expecting to concede my right of way at every junction - but I shouldn't have to, if the drivers were driving properly.
Similarly, yes, I suppose she could wait until 10am for her morning walk, but why should she. She has more right to be walking on that road at any time she chooses than the drivers have to be driving on it. She has a legal right, they are merely permitted and are required to do so with due care so they don't hurt anyone.
I meant that I could have avoided near misses with drivers that weren't paying attention by expecting to concede my right of way at every junction - but I shouldn't have to, if the drivers were driving properly.
Similarly, yes, I suppose she could wait until 10am for her morning walk, but why should she. She has more right to be walking on that road at any time she chooses than the drivers have to be driving on it. She has a legal right, they are merely permitted and are required to do so with due care so they don't hurt anyone.
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Deleted member 16999
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Last reply to you! I didn’t say you mentioned changing routes and timings etc, I said “I believe any intelligent person would look at those situations and see if they can be avoided in the future, ie change your route or timings etc.” I possibly, incorrectly, surmised you fitted the bill of someone being intelligent.
But if you had a near miss and it had no impact on your behaviour then fair enough.
I simply hope that the old woman comes to no harm, regardless of who’d be at fault if she does.
Mudball
Assistant Pro
Should this be reported to the council? i know the local council tried to build a footpath many years ago, but houses on both sides resisted giving up their front gardens/drives. where the photo was taken, there is a council owned nature reserve.. they might want to consider cutting a couple of trees to make it safe for non-vehicular traffic
RichA
Well-known member
Can't do any harm. Have there ever actually been any accidents or just near misses? The traffic calming measures you mentioned suggest it may have a history.
RichA
Well-known member
I believe that any intelligent person would see that the first responsibility lies with the person who is legislated to be responsible for driving their vehicle with due care, rather than the old lady with a stick going for a walk down the side of the country lane she probably lives on.
I don't disagree with you but equally I'm wincing with fear at the pictures. Elderly person v car = bad outcome. Because she can walk down the road at that time doesn't mean it is a good idea. Hopefully the locals know she is out and about and know to take care.
RichA
Well-known member
Without getting in the elderly lady's head, it's merely supposition, but maybe she feels it's safest to walk during rush hour, when the speed of the cars is limited by their volume. That's certainly true of similar roads in my area. When the road is less busy, the cars are driven faster.
Either way, while I understand all the points, I cringe at the idea of telling someone who probably doesn't drive and clearly isn't very mobile that they aren't allowed to walk down their own street at certain times of day.
Either way, while I understand all the points, I cringe at the idea of telling someone who probably doesn't drive and clearly isn't very mobile that they aren't allowed to walk down their own street at certain times of day.
Jamesbrown
Head Pro
when I was young I was taught not to play on the road. Advice I still follow today.
Logic also tells me not to present myself as a hazard of which vehicles will be present.
Logic also tells me not to present myself as a hazard of which vehicles will be present.
