fade over a draw

[Deleted Member 1156]

I think the key difference between the 2 shots is that a draw presents the clubface to the ball with less loft on it than a fade which cuts under the ball more. So for any given club, the draw will provide a stronger launch with less spin and more run out.

Happy to be proved wrong though.

 

[duncan mackie]

Try this

http://www.livestrong.com/article/557831-advantages-of-the-golf-fade-vs-draw/

you are happy to quote an article that states a fade is hit with backspin and a draw is hit with topspin to support your view :rofl::rofl::rofl:

the problem with such discussions is that people cannot separate the theory from their practical experiences (and articles like this that try to simplify things to such an extent the actually make false statements!

most people associate a draw with lower trajectory = this instantly means it has a lower backspin element than a shot hit with the same loft and launch angle that flies higher and it will normally roll further on landing etc etc

extremely few golfers can hit their (slight)fade or draw shots on the same trajectory with the same club because of the need to juggle things to get the same apparent loft through impact - but if they did you simply have shots that are the mirror image of each other in terms of looks and performance.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I think the key difference between the 2 shots is that a draw presents the clubface to the ball with less loft on it than a fade which cuts under the ball more. So for any given club, the draw will provide a stronger launch with less spin and more run out.

Happy to be proved wrong though.

you are happy to quote an article that states a fade is hit with backspin and a draw is hit with topspin to support your view :rofl::rofl::rofl:

the problem with such discussions is that people cannot separate the theory from their practical experiences (and articles like this that try to simplify things to such an extent the actually make false statements!

most people associate a draw with lower trajectory = this instantly means it has a lower backspin element than a shot hit with the same loft and launch angle that flies higher and it will normally roll further on landing etc etc

extremely few golfers can hit their (slight)fade or draw shots on the same trajectory with the same club because of the need to juggle things to get the same apparent loft through impact - but if they did you simply have shots that are the mirror image of each other in terms of looks and performance.

I think you are agreeing with me?

 

[guest100718]

I think you are agreeing with me?

er no..

 

[Val]

I think you are agreeing with me?

He's not

 

[richart]

I shank my irons and pull my woods. What are fades and draws ?

 

[KJT123]

Whenever I hit a fade when I don't need to, it makes me feel like I have done something wrong in my swing, like coming over the top, or not releasing the club correctly. When I hit a draw, it feels like I'm swinging at my best, attacking the ball from an inside swing path, releasing the club creating a nice gentle draw.

 

[bladeplayer]

I shank my irons and pull my woods. What are fades and draws ?

Fades and draws are S & pulls that end up in decent places

 

[richart]

Fades and draws are S & pulls that end up in decent places

Go on Bill, you can type the word SHANK.:ears:

 

[bladeplayer]

Go on Bill, you can type the word SHANK.:ears:

Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :fore:

 

[duncan mackie]

I think you are agreeing with me?

only if you are now agreeing with me....?

I do not agree with the theory in your post #41; but I do accept that in practice for most golfers this is what happens and you get completely different outcomes with the characteristics you indicate. even more importantly it's only really when the draw or fade are closer to hooks and slices that most recognise them as anything other than straight!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

only if you are now agreeing with me....?

I do not agree with the theory in your post #41; but I do accept that in practice for most golfers this is what happens and you get completely different outcomes with the characteristics you indicate. even more importantly it's only really when the draw or fade are closer to hooks and slices that most recognise them as anything other than straight!

Can we go have a beer together now?

 

[Jensen]

Matt Kuchar always drew the ball, which tends to happen with a 1 plane swing. But lately he seems to be hitting a fade.

 

[duncan mackie]

Can we go have a beer together now?

:thup:

well sometime anyway

 

[the_coach]

[video=youtube_share;4AGZ_ePWbmk]http://youtu.be/4AGZ_ePWbmk[/video]

 

[the_coach]

[video=youtube_share;b8jDTNzPWWE]http://youtu.be/b8jDTNzPWWE[/video]

 

[Coatsy79]

I seem to switch between the two at the moment, one hole I hit a nice draw, the next a gentle fade

Occasionally I'll hit a massive hook and if the wind is right and my set up is wrong I can hit a slice like you won't believe but happily it's far less often than it used to be

I think I average out as mostly straight-ish weather it's a slight draw or slight fade

 

[Beezerk]

[video=youtube_share;b8jDTNzPWWE]http://youtu.be/b8jDTNzPWWE[/video]

Good vid, the pro I had a lesson with recently explained this theory to me, called it the "gear effect".

 

[michaeljpoole]

I feel this is a bit like the Evolution of a golfer especially starting as a junior. When the majority of people start they hit big slices. Then we you look to correct this you are so desperate to hit a draw you start working on coming from the inside. This is especially true for juniors looking for power. Then before you know if you are coming massively from the inside and rolling the hands over. Yes this can give you a nice draw when your timing is on. But this can also result in massive snap hooks and block slices when your timing isn't.

This then brings us to the next stage in Evolution, sick of the snap hooks/block slices you go to see the pro who wants you to swing with a much more neutral plane and a gentle fade. For me at the moment it is good to try to practise hitting a fade as it takes the emphasis from swinging too far from the inside to draw the ball. I think a lot of pro's are starting to favour the cut as if you miss it will probably be a bit short and right whereas the draw can turn into a super destructive snap hook

But to be honest nothing feels better than hitting the ball gun barrel straight.

 

[SocketRocket]

Fades and draws are a function of the clubface direction and swingpath at impact. Fades have the swingpath moving left of the clubface and draws the swingpath moving right (right handed golfers). Slices and Hooks are the same shots with larger differentials.

In saying this a draw and fade can be hit higher or lower, again dependent of how open or closed the clubface and the angle of attack. In general most golfers that hit fades or slices tend to do so because they hold the clubface open at impact creating more loft which creates more spin and less distance. A more talented golfer can hit a power fade that is in fact the mirror of a draw.

I agree most people that say 'I hit a natural fade' are slicers.

PS.

Forget about turning the hands over or the toe passing the heel to make a draw.