EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

That' it - Broon caused the banks to go pop - was never anything to do with the bankers - it was all Broon's fault that we taxpayers have had to fork out £££Billions to keep the banks afloat.

But as DfT says - I find it disgraceful that never again will a Scottish MP be able to hold a significant Wesminster cabinet role in a One-UK government.

I quite fancy Fox for PM after we leave the EU.


Regarding Doon's fantasising about Indy2, it will only happen if the UK parliament say it will, not Nicola. So wont happen.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I quite fancy Fox for PM after we leave the EU.


Regarding Doon's fantasising about Indy2, it will only happen if the UK parliament say it will, not Nicola. So wont happen.

Who mentioned Nicola
I said the Scots people will call it.

 

[Old Skier]

Who mentioned Nicola
I said the Scots people will call it.

So not the people living in Scotland then.

 

[SocketRocket]

Who mentioned Nicola
I said the Scots people will call it.

The Scots people can call all they like but only the Westminster Parliament will allow it so as I said, it wont happen.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The Scots people can call all they like but only the Westminster Parliament will allow it so as I said, it wont happen.

Aye right

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What UK leave?
Nothing has changed.
No Indyref two if UK stays in EU.
You seem to be forgetting that in 2014 Cameron/Clegg/Miliband/Brown told Scotland that the only way to stay in the EU was with a No vote.
Trust us they said.

Aye - if Davidson et al want to portray a bit of Salmond talking things up to get the YES Indy ref vote out with his 'once in a generation' stuff as a 'promise' (still don't get how that is a 'promise') - so the SNP can equally portray the 'vote NO to stay in the EU' as a 'promise' that will be broken if the UK Brexits.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The Scots people can call all they like but only the Westminster Parliament will allow it so as I said, it wont happen.

Which is exactly the sort of statement from 'down south' that will make Indyref2 even more likely to happen.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

With a bit of cross-pollination from the Scottish Election 2016 thread I'm loving that a big Remain majority in Scotland could overturn a narrow Leave majority in the rUK. Oh what an irony with Westminster and Better Together Tories who want out of the EU being kept in it by those lovable Scots - the same who won't get another IndyRef because Westminster won't grant the Scots one - or maybe it will if Remain wins the day on the votes of the Scots.

 

[Old Skier]

With a bit of cross-pollination from the Scottish Election 2016 thread I'm loving that a big Remain majority in Scotland could overturn a narrow Leave majority in the rUK. Oh what an irony with Westminster and Better Together Tories who want out of the EU being kept in it by those lovable Scots - the same who won't get another IndyRef because Westminster won't grant the Scots one - or maybe it will if Remain wins the day on the votes of the Scots.

Where are you getting your factual info from, a poll that many on here have said time and again that it's to early for them to be anywhere near relevant and in recent years have been wrong.

We will only really know after the vote and may not even be published by region.

 

[SocketRocket]

Which is exactly the sort of statement from 'down south' that will make Indyref2 even more likely to happen.

But how? The Scotts cannot call a referendum, it has to be through the Westminster Parliament who have already called one recently.

PS, I'm sure my statement on a Golf Forum wont stir up too many sporrans Oo'p North.

 

[SocketRocket]

Aye right

Aye right enough

 

[SocketRocket]

Funny how the UK referendum on EU membership has suddenly turned into a Scottish issue

 

[FairwayDodger]

We have this strange situation in Scotland where the government actually listens to the public.

Nonsense!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Funny how the UK referendum on EU membership has suddenly turned into a Scottish issue

Because UK Tory, Labour and LibDem leaders told Scotland referendum voters in 2014 that the only way to ensure we stayed in Europe was by voting NO.
They even signed a vow.

The Scots votes could be decisive to the Remain campaign.

So yes, it is very much a Scottish issue, no matter how much you attempt to sideline it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

"Why is it always about me" - Mario Balotelli or the Scottish electorate? The vote is about the whole of the UK, not just one part of it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

"Why is it always about me" - Mario Balotelli or the Scottish electorate? The vote is about the whole of the UK, not just one part of it.

Except in Scotland it isn't that simple. Because what happens in Westminster is in many respects of much less importance than what happens in Holyrood and being In/Out of the EU is tied up with what happens in Holyrood - and what was promised on EU membership by Better Together during the IndyRef.

It's not forgotten that one of the main BT arguments was that an IndyScot couldn't just expect to be admitted into the EU - indeed BT suggested an IndyScot would be out of the EU for quite some time before being admitted.

 

[MegaSteve]

Even though I am still fairly certain I'll be voting out...
I am fairly confident also, the powers that be WILL find ways of keeping us in...

Right now, way more concerned London won't get the Mayor it needs...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Even though I am still fairly certain I'll be voting out...
I am fairly confident also, the powers that be WILL find ways of keeping us in...

Right now, way more concerned London won't get the Mayor it needs...

Well as far as London Mayor is concerned anyone could do a better job that the current incumbent - who seems to be unhinged ... sorry - disconnected .. from delivering his responsibilities

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As concerns over immigration will I think be the determining factor for many on how they vote - here's an IN argument with some facts.

Yes of course Remain would say this - will say the Brexiteers - but can we just all accept for a moment that some FACTS are being presented as part of an argument rather than just assertion and supposition. To counter let's have some FACTS from Leave presented that debunk this analysis.

http://infacts.org/eu-migrants-stop-nhs-flatlining/

 

[Hobbit]

As concerns over immigration will I think be the determining factor for many on how they vote - here's an IN argument with some facts.

Yes of course Remain would say this - will say the Brexiteers - but can we just all accept for a moment that some FACTS are being presented as part of an argument rather than just assertion and supposition. To counter let's have some FACTS from Leave presented that debunk this analysis.

http://infacts.org/eu-migrants-stop-nhs-flatlining/

Immigration isn't the factor behind my choice. But I feel the document mixes, and spins, facts and numbers to justify its argument. I don't doubt some of the numbers are very definitive but its the spin, just like the leavers, that pee's me off no end.

For example, "increased numbers turning up at A&E do not cause longer waiting times." What is that supposed to mean? Does the tooth fairy treat the extra patients? Whatever the reason behind it not causing longer waiting times, it isn't explained. That's assuming its a fact, and I'm not saying it isn't. But its the blind faith of believe it. Where is the explanation?

Whether its the Remain or the Leave camp, neither are putting any meat behind their statements.

If that link you posted is good enough for you, fine I don't have a problem with that. It isn't good enough for me because its shallow.

But a question back at you, and I'm not seeking to justify an argument against immigration because it isn't an issue for me. If immigration isn't causing issues with our infrastructure why have a number of Local Education Authorities asked to be permitted to increase class sizes to 40, way above the previous limit? Baby booms? The original baby boom was in the 40's, and repeated every 20-ish years thereafter. That cycle isn't due its next boom for another 10 years... so where is the current boom from, the tooth fairies again?