ColchesterFC
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Can we expect calls for an English and Welsh independence referendum from those on the Leave side if Scotland voting to stay in is the deciding factor in the overall vote?
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Doon frae Troon
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Probably.
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So what are your personal reasons for wanting to stay in?
SocketRocket
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So it's your dislike of the English that's your main reason?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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That was my original line of thinking - that referendum was much, much more fundamental that any election or indeed a being in or out of the EU. But hey - maybe next time
Doon frae Troon
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Eh......how did even you come to that conclusion.
I actually quite like the English with the odd exception like EDL/UKIP/ Right Wing Tory types.
Mind you I think most of the English dislike them as well.:lol:
Doon frae Troon
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Many, but mainly that Scotland will get a better deal within the EU than it would out of it [via Westminster].
SocketRocket
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Westminster wont go away if we stay in and with the level of devolution Scotland is getting whats the problem?
Doon frae Troon
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That is the problem, the level of devolution that the Tory government have 'allowed' the Scots
What other reason would there be for such a massive groundswell of support for the SNP.
We were sold a pup with 'The Vow' and within hours of the referendum result we had Cameron waffling on about EVEL.
Does the fact that no Scottish MP will ever be PM in the future not alarm you.
Wasn't Gordon Brown Scottish and then did his best to bankrupt the country with his boom & bust!
Doon frae Troon
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wooooooosh.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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That' it - Broon caused the banks to go pop - was never anything to do with the bankers - it was all Broon's fault that we taxpayers have had to fork out £££Billions to keep the banks afloat.
But as DfT says - I find it disgraceful that never again will a Scottish MP be able to hold a significant Wesminster cabinet role in a One-UK government.
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MegaSteve
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Not quite sure how you can conclude that... After all, if Clegg can be deputy PM anything is possible...
Old Skier
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They said last time they wouldn't let you into the club. Is it different this time as they would like you to make up the short fall from a UK leave. Good luck on that one.
Old Skier
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I presume your quite happy with the left wing racists and extremists then.
Doon frae Troon
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Doon frae Troon
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What UK leave?
Nothing has changed.
No Indyref two if UK stays in EU.
You seem to be forgetting that in 2014 Cameron/Clegg/Miliband/Brown told Scotland that the only way to stay in the EU was with a No vote.
Trust us they said.
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Old Skier
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They only stay if the young vote is mobalised.
What makes you so sure that there would be one if UK leave. The minority can howl at the moon as much as they like but a referendum will not be in the howlers hands.
Doon frae Troon
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As Nicola keeps saying the UK Leave vote is a trigger for Indyref 2 but only if the Scots public demand it.
We have this strange situation in Scotland where the government actually listens to the public. Hard to believe I know but it seems to work.
A Stay vote means the pressure for Indyref 2 would be lessened. Most agree it is far too close to 2014 and would result in another close call. just a bit of tub thumping by the SNP and tends to keep the opposition on their toes.
IMO 2020 seems like the best time to call the second independence vote. It will also coincide with the 300 year anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath.
The time lag gives the new Tory leader a chance to right a wrong and perhaps keep the UK united. Can't see that myself but you never know.
BTW sorry to break the news to you but, two years down, the minority is probably the majority now.
Old Skier
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So your basing this on a probably and not a defiantly. Is this a bit like the probability of remain winning. Just about sums it up.
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