EU Referendum

[Deleted member 15344]

You're just wanting to break away from everything now!

:rofl:

Independence for Leighton Buzzard

 

[Hobbit]

:rofl:

Independence for Leighton Buzzard

And please build a wall around it to keep the Buzzards in

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And please build a wall around it to keep the Buzzards in

Wonderful birds

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes I believe they do. Happy to be corrected if wrong though.

Correct - and further - the EU Parliament works with the Council of the EU on budget matters and legislation - the Council comprises government ministers from each EU country - so we are well represented in the decision making and implementing bodies. Council votes are on a qualified majority basis and decisions can be blocked by the UK working with another 3 counties where the combined population of the four is at least 35% of the total EU population.

 

[FairwayDodger]

:rofl:

Independence for Leighton Buzzard

Well it'll be a dark day for water quality in the Grand Union Canal and do you really want to see those refugee camps springing up in Luton?

:smirk:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well it'll be a dark day for water quality in the Grand Union Canal and do you really want to see those refugee camps springing up in Luton?

:smirk:

Have you seen that Canal ? You can't call that water

And refugee camps in Luton might improve it

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm not so sure about that. I feel I have more in common with commonwealth countries that I do with those in the EU.

I suspect that all I have in common (culturally and politically especially) with your average Aussie bloke is that we speak roughly the same language

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So can we not keep those standards if we leave the UK ?

We wouldn't have to...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We wouldn't have to...

That didn't answer the question

Could we keep to those standard if we left the EU

 

[SocketRocket]

I suspect that all I have in common (culturally and politically especially) with your average Aussie bloke is that we speak roughly the same language

I have many relatives in OZ, probably more than I have in the UK, I also have a number in NZ. Have you noticed a similarity with their National Flags. They have the same Queen as head of state and many of them are of British descent.

I have no such ties with EU Countries. Maybe you do but hey ho, Vive La Difference as they say.

 

[SocketRocket]

I really do doubt that! But you are of course welcome to your opinion.

Why do you doubt that I don't have more in common with EU countries?

 

[SocketRocket]

...and I believe that some of the benefits we get are not easily 'valued' in monetary ways, so for instance many environmental improvements brought about through UK having to adhere to and meet EEC standards and directives. What monetary value do you put on the health, wellbeing (through reduced illness through water-borne disease ) and leisure benefits we all get individually from much of our river and coastal water meeting the EEC Water Directive Framework. Yes we may have cleaned up our act without it - but we might not have.

I think we learned not to pee upstream a while ago.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That didn't answer the question

Could we keep to those standard if we left the EU

We could - but we wouldn't have to. And there is a big difference between having to maintain water quality to a standard and chosing to. And when push comes to shove those things that are optional can all of a sudden become nice-to-have but not essential.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We could - but we wouldn't have to. And there is a big difference between having to maintain water quality to a standard and chosing to. And when push comes to shove those things that are optional can all of a sudden become nice-to-have but not essential.

So we don't need to be in the EU to keep high standards then. Leaving the EU change it then

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I have many relatives in OZ, probably more than I have in the UK, I also have a number in NZ. Have you noticed a similarity with their National Flags. They have the same Queen as head of state and many of them are of British descent.

I have no such ties with EU Countries. Maybe you do but hey ho, Vive La Difference as they say.

National ties and connections Australia has with the UK don't imply very much about the attitudes of your average Aussie bloke.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

National ties and connections Australia has with the UK don't imply very much about the attitudes of your average Aussie bloke.

Attitude of your average Aussie bloke ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So we don't need to be in the EU to keep high standards then. Leaving the EU change it then

Look - you know exactly what I'm saying here. If I have to spell it out I will. The EU sets environmental standards that the UK has to adhere to. i do not trust any UK government - especially any wedded to cuts in public spending - to not sacrifice environmental protections and standards at the alter of their predilections - especially when these have short term political benefit.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Look - you know exactly what I'm saying here. If I have to spell it out I will. The EU sets environmental standards that the UK has to adhere to. i do not trust any UK government - especially any wedded to cuts in public spending - to not sacrifice environmental protections and standards at the alter of their predilections - especially when these have short term political benefit.

But the point is that we don't have to be in the EU to keep those standards - your mistrust is your own issues but I can't see any reason why we as a country would suddenly drop our environmental standards if we were to the leave the EU - I guess Norway has no issues keeping high standards.

 

[Hobbit]

Look - you know exactly what I'm saying here. If I have to spell it out I will. The EU sets environmental standards that the UK has to adhere to. i do not trust any UK government - especially any wedded to cuts in public spending - to not sacrifice environmental protections and standards at the alter of their predilections - especially when these have short term political benefit.

The water industry is privatised for God's sake. Govt,"we're seeing too many admissions due to poor water quality. Which is hurting our NHS. Let's fine the water companies to clean up their act."

c'mon, your argument is as weak as water. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

This commonwealth and the close ties we have, is that Australia who talk about becoming a republic or New Zealand were they are changing the flag or Canada were 20% of the population speak French?
The Commonwealth and what it means to us is age related imo.