EU Referendum

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Copied from Trump thread as this is perhaps more relevant to the EU debate

OK, thats better, you are suggesting 100,000 a year but thats will be on top of the current 600,000 a year coming into the country. Also take into account the additional numbers that will probably be flooding in from Turkey when Merkel and our own PM push through their membership. Now, where will we house all these people, where will they work, can our schools and NHS that we treasure so much cope with these additional numbers. Will people also be content with the further Islamification of our culture and the lack of their integration into society. We need to consider this very seriously before committing.

I doubt if many will be settled around Chipping Norton.

I agree 100% - and that is why I suggest that a very significant shift in thinking and attitude would be required by us all - and an acceptance that whilst most of us would rather like things to continue as they are - I am quite comfortable thankyou - and I do refer to myself - I also don't think it is conscionable for us to largely wash our hands of the immigration problem that Europe faces.

 

[ger147]

Copied from Trump thread as this is perhaps more relevant to the EU debate

How are you feeling sitting round the table with David and George fighting the good fight to stay in the EU? Must feel a bit odd for you...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And your proof of this is ?????????

Oh yes, could it be that that nice Nick Clegg "has no recollection" of this?

I believe the Royal Family have put in an official complaint to the Press association

Hopefully close the rag down

 

[FairwayDodger]

I believe the Royal Family have put in an official complaint to the Press association

Hopefully close the rag down

Close them both down!!

:whoo:

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Close them both down!!

:whoo:

Now that's something I can agree with!:thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

How are you feeling sitting round the table with David and George fighting the good fight to stay in the EU? Must feel a bit odd for you...

It does. I feel rather discombobulated by it all

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I believe the Royal Family have put in an official complaint to the Press association

Hopefully close the rag down

The thing is The Sun knows that now they have said it many of their readers will take any attempt to deny it as evidence that it is true - and any conduct committee investigation will just be a Cameron and Remain attempt to hide the truth.

 

[Ethan]

How are you feeling sitting round the table with David and George fighting the good fight to stay in the EU? Must feel a bit odd for you...

Not as odd as sitting with Nigel Farage, George Galloway, Ian Duncan Smith, Boris Johnston, Frederick Forsyth and the DUP.

 

[Hacker Khan]

There is obviously a time limit on your appreciation of history in that we should, quite rightly, acknowledge the debt we owe for the support of all Empire and Dominion states during the two World Wars but then overlook the fact that Britain had colonised these countries in the first place and subjugated the indigenous populations.

As for the landbridge connection I am no anthropologist but it would appear to me that, as a nation, we have most in common racially with the peoples of Northern Europe rather than those of the Commonwealth nations.

By all means let us use facts to support our arguments but we should be careful not to be creative with history.

Listen to this, it is really interesting on the subject of how close we are racially. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ybg84

And by the way, not saying you are wrong, but we are a lot closer than most people think.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not as odd as sitting with Nigel Farage, George Galloway, Ian Duncan Smith, Boris Johnston, Frederick Forsyth and the DUP.

LOL - yes indeed :thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Listen to this, it is really interesting on the subject of how close we are racially. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ybg84

And by the way, not saying you are wrong, but we are a lot closer than most people think.

Having over the last few years worked a lot with French, Dutch, Belgians, Romanians, Austrians, Spanish and Germans I do feel a bit of a kindred spirit with most of them - and a lot closer culturally than I do to the Indian teams I work with - brilliant though they are. I think my favourites to work with are the Germans.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Listen to this, it is really interesting on the subject of how close we are racially. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ybg84

And by the way, not saying you are wrong, but we are a lot closer than most people think.

I think what this confirms is the ongoing tendency to confuse nationality with race and the resultant stupidity that arises from racial/national stereotypes.

Personally I tend to feel an affinity towards people of a like mind to me regardless of their race or nationality. (Sounds like I could soon be moving into the yurt and looking for the yoghurt knitting patterns.)

 

[Foxholer]

Having over the last few years worked a lot with French, Dutch, Belgians, Romanians, Austrians, Spanish and Germans I do feel a bit of a kindred spirit with most of them - and a lot closer culturally than I do to the Indian teams I work with - brilliant though they are. I think my favourites to work with are the Germans.

It's definitely a 'cultural' thing!

I have worked with several Indian teams in the past and there was definitely a certain way that was successful while other ways would almost certain fail! My ex(1) was a 'tailoring co-ordinator' for a UK based, Europe+ wide, system and used to describe meetings in each country - absolutely true to the stereotypes!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Close them both down!!

:whoo:

Now the Royality is a whole different debate.

 

[Foxholer]

Thats like suggesting we should have an affinity to European countries due to our ancestors coming here over the land bridge at the end of the last ice age.

Or, rather later, from Italy, Germany and/or Scandinavia (directly or via Normandy!) - at least in England! With a bit of Celtic migration before that as well!

 

[MarkE]

Who are we supposed to have the affinity with; the colonists, be they immigrants or originally convicts, or the indigenous peoples of these countries? Australian, aborigines, Maoris or North American Indians.

You are free to have an affinity with whoever you choose. I happen to regard the commonwealth countries fondly, but not most of Europe.

We may share a language with some of these countries but then so we do with America and I don't feel a natural affinity towards that country.

Funnily enough I do and would much rather closer ties with the USA than remain in the EU.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think what this confirms is the ongoing tendency to confuse nationality with race and the resultant stupidity that arises from racial/national stereotypes.

Personally I tend to feel an affinity towards people of a like mind to me regardless of their race or nationality. (Sounds like I could soon be moving into the yurt and looking for the yoghurt knitting patterns.)

Always a space on the hessian rug in the yurt for like minded individuals......

Anyway, Stephen Hawking has said a Brexit is a bad thing. And he's cleverer than all of us put together. So that's sealed the deal for me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35772714

 

[Hacker Khan]

You are free to have an affinity with whoever you choose. I happen to regard the commonwealth countries fondly, but not most of Europe.



Funnily enough I do and would much rather closer ties with the USA than remain in the EU.

Yup, let's cosy up with potentially Trump or Cruz who will follow an extremely nationalist 'Buy american at all costs' agenda. What can possibly go wrong.....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Always a space on the hessian rug in the yurt for like minded individuals......

Anyway, Stephen Hawking has said a Brexit is a bad thing. And he's cleverer than all of us put together. So that's sealed the deal for me. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35772714

What does Hawkins know about anything - ahhh. Physics he knows a bit about...maybe. Logic has no place in this debate.

 

[MarkE]

Yup, let's cosy up with potentially Trump or Cruz who will follow an extremely nationalist 'Buy american at all costs' agenda. What can possibly go wrong.....

Just saying i'd rather a close relationship with the usa than the eu. I'm not judging personalities, but as an institiution I'd trust the usa more.