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Why is that absurd ?
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Why is that absurd ?
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Do the MEP control the finances of the EU ?
Hacker Khan
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Well no party in government has got over 45% of the total votes cast in decades in a voting system that is often argued by many, including the good old UKIPers, to be very unfair when it comes to representation based on the votes and will of the people. Most oppositions in the recent past have been mostly toothless from both sides of the political spectrum as the opposition parties spend most of the time in turmoil and falling out with each other as they are not in power. And the House of Lords is filled by political appointments by the government of the day. If you think that is proper moderation then you have more faith in the system than I do.
As for taking precedence then the things that mostly concern me in my day to day life are education and the economy. And I don't see the EU telling us what we should be doing in those areas much. But as I always say that is what matters to me and other things like immigration will matter more to others. So feel free to make your mind up using those examples.
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No I don't but I do believe that we should pay less of a net contribution. I also believe that the EU was foolish to let in countries that didn't reach the benchmark originally set, which we are now paying for. And I feel bringing Turkey in, who are even further from the benchmark, is just madness.
If you have 20 countries sharing £200 they get £10 each, some more and some less. All for it, but when you then starting adding to the number of countries but not increasing the pot greatly because of relative poverty of those countries being added, everyone gets less apart from the new joiners who get something they didn't previously have.
This means that there's less going around in our own economy. The high and mid earners don't feel the pinch but those at the bottom do.
If others prefer that the man in a village in Turkey can buy an extra donkey whilst our own low earners are pushed through the poverty threshold, crack on but its not for me.
As for being Xenophobic...? Absolutely hilarious.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
They will always me a minority and will generally be outvoted.
SocketRocket
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You said:
"One of the benefits of the EU for me is that it is a moderating influence on the current government of the day"
So you would be happy for them to moderate our elected Government where they see necessary?
I doubt he'd want our govt moderating if it was of his political persuasion. There's been govts down the years I haven't been happy with but I've accepted it because it has been the choice of the UK electorate to put them there. Having some of our own wishing to usurp our own elected officials using and outside agency because they don't like their policies is about as undemocratic as you can get.
oxymoron
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There seems to be a lot of ifs and whats poping up around this and its just confusing the heck out of everyone , the latest comment from
Claud Juncker ( hope i spelled it right) is that we may be responsible for a new world war !!!! WTF goes through these peoples minds? Can we just stick to the rights and wrongs and be clear on this entire subject , its beggining to drive me away from the EU if this is is the mentality of the top men running the show.
Claud Juncker ( hope i spelled it right) is that we may be responsible for a new world war !!!! WTF goes through these peoples minds? Can we just stick to the rights and wrongs and be clear on this entire subject , its beggining to drive me away from the EU if this is is the mentality of the top men running the show.
jp5
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I don't recall him saying that we may be responsible for a world war if we leave
sounds like newspaper hyperbole
jp5
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Yes I believe they do. Happy to be corrected if wrong though.
jp5
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You could say that for any individual state, but on the basis of the political spectrum they will work with similar parties from other countries to achieve shared aims.
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So as a country that is a net contributor do we have the same sort majority say for where the money goes ?
oxymoron
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I don't recall him saying that we may be responsible for a world war if we leave
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...r-Brussels-peace-Brexit-David-Cameron?ref=yfp
Not normally an Express reader but this really got my eye , scaremongering at its best me thinks .
MarkE
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This was from the Express, but was widely reported in the written press and tv, it certainly sounds as though he was intimating exactly that:http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...e-Juncker-Brussels-peace-Brexit-David-CameronI don't recall him saying that we may be responsible for a world war if we leave
If only the Visigard group of countries didn't band together when voting I'd be inclined to agree with you. In theory, what you are saying works, but in practice...
jp5
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You're conflating two separate things. As one of the larger economies I fully expect us to contribute more than we receive - that seems simple. Otherwise we'd be receiving subsidies from poorer countries. I don't think that putting more into the pot should allow you to buy more influence on how it is spent.
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Well I actually think we shouldn't be putting into any pot that other countries can use - why should we subsidies poorer countries when we have our own issues at home.
Is it selfish - yes it prob is , but unless everything is perfect in the UK then think we should be doing as much as possible to ensure we spend our money on our issues.
jp5
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I just had a visit to the Express' website (probably on some sort of list now) and their top story was...
CONSPIRACY theorists are stocking up on food supplies amid fears the world could end from TODAY when a total eclipse of the...
FOUR DAYS LEFT Freak supermoon eclipse asteroid same day signal end world
Freak supermoon, eclipse and asteroid to converge TODAY in staggeringly rare phenomenon
SO I'd take whatever is written there a pinch of salt, to say the least.
As far as Juncker's comments he's not the popular bloke but as far as I can tell he said that peace in Europe shouldn't be taken for granted. I don't think anyone can argue with that.
jp5
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Personally I believe it's in our national interest that Europe prospers, and if our contribution to the EU assists in that it's for our collective good.
Of course there are issues in our country, but I don't think they'll be resolved by leaving the EU.
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Where as i believe it's in our own interest to see ourselves prosper first - issues may not be resolved if we left the EU but then we would at least be able to make our own changes - instead of putting money into sorting out someone else medical services we put that money into sorting our own out first as an example.
I don't see the EU as a fair society - it doesn't encourage the poorer countries to help themselves first and foremost - it allows them to be bailed out.
There is a big world beyond Europe and other countries have no problems prospering without the EU - so why shouldn't we
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