EU Referendum

[Doon frae Troon]

Really! Exactly who are these supporters?

The ones that wear black stockings and furry collars.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Please explain how that answered his question?

Well you could say his statement prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, since joining an ever beuracratic and costly organisation we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer is utter garbage. Here are the stats http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/balance-of-trade.

Prior to 1975 we basically imported and exported bugger all as that was the way the global economy worked, we mostly provided for a domestic market. Since then the number of imports and exports have both increased http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports and we currently export around 418 billion.

So the facts and wrong and then assigning these alleged facts to the EU is just compounding it really. May as well have said
prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, but since the Bay City Rollers released Bye Bye Baby in 75 we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer , which would make just as much economic sense.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Well you could say his statement prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, since joining an ever beuracratic and costly organisation we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer is utter garbage. Here are the stats http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/balance-of-trade.

Prior to 1975 we basically imported and exported bugger all as that was the way the global economy worked, we mostly provided for a domestic market. Since then the number of imports and exports have both increased http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports and we currently export around 418 billion.

So the facts and wrong and then assigning these alleged facts to the EU is just compounding it really. May as well have said
prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, but since the Bay City Rollers released Bye Bye Baby in 75 we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer , which would make just as much economic sense.

This is amazing. I enjoyed this.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well you could say his statement prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, since joining an ever beuracratic and costly organisation we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer is utter garbage. Here are the stats http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/balance-of-trade.

Prior to 1975 we basically imported and exported bugger all as that was the way the global economy worked, we mostly provided for a domestic market. Since then the number of imports and exports have both increased http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports and we currently export around 418 billion.

So the facts and wrong and then assigning these alleged facts to the EU is just compounding it really. May as well have said
prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, but since the Bay City Rollers released Bye Bye Baby in 75 we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer , which would make just as much economic sense.

I asked SILH a simple and straight forward question to explain his reasoning. If you think it apt to turn that into some point scoring, sarcastic mickey taking opportunity then I would ask you why?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well you could say his statement prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, since joining an ever beuracratic and costly organisation we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer is utter garbage. Here are the stats http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/balance-of-trade.

Prior to 1975 we basically imported and exported bugger all as that was the way the global economy worked, we mostly provided for a domestic market. Since then the number of imports and exports have both increased http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports and we currently export around 418 billion.

So the facts and wrong and then assigning these alleged facts to the EU is just compounding it really. May as well have said
prior to 75 we were a major importer and exporter, but since the Bay City Rollers released Bye Bye Baby in 75 we have lost most of our export business but we are still a major importer , which would make just as much economic sense.

Fantastic links Hacker............I do like your style......No 2 on the favourites list.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I asked SILH a simple and straight forward question to explain his reasoning. If you think it apt to turn that into some point scoring, sarcastic mickey taking opportunity then I would ask you why?

I was rather taken aback that you seem not to know about globalisation - thanks to @HK for his response.

If you disagree that globalisation has had an impact on UK exports then I'd like to understand why. For instance I don't remember the collapse of our clothing manufacturing industries being laid at the door of our membership of the EEC and EU. Rather as far as I can recall it has been the availability of cheap clothing from overseas that killed that industry off - both local UK sales and exports.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yes.............I well remember the day when Scotland controlled the world golf club manufacturing business.

 

[SocketRocket]

I was rather taken aback that you seem not to know about globalisation - thanks to @HK for his response.

If you disagree that globalisation has had an impact on UK exports then I'd like to understand why. For instance I don't remember the collapse of our clothing manufacturing industries being laid at the door of our membership of the EEC and EU. Rather as far as I can recall it has been the availability of cheap clothing from overseas that killed that industry off - both local UK sales and exports.

Where did I say I didn't understand the concept of Globalisation? I just didn't think your reply to someones previous post gave enough detail by simply saying it was Globalisation, I think you are mixing me up with 'Old Skier's' post

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Where did I say I didn't understand the concept of Globalisation? I just didn't think your reply to someones previous post gave enough detail by simply saying it was Globalisation, I think you are mixing me up with 'Old Skier's' post

Me mixed up? Quite probably.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Prior to 1975 we basically imported and exported bugger all as that was the way the global economy worked, we mostly provided for a domestic market. Since then the number of imports and exports have both increased http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports and we currently export around 418 billion.

Whilst I would agree with both SILH and yourself over the effects of globalisation I think your appreciation of history is slightly awry.

Since WW2 British industry has been encouraged to "Export or die" and for some years the tax system was used to discourage domestic consumption of exportable goods such as motor cars.

In addition once Government found that these controls were no longer politically acceptable the demand for imported goods rose significantly resulting in campaigns such as "I'm Backing Britain" launched, I believe, in 1968.

So really we are in agreement that cheap foreign labour, lack of investment and globalisation in general have been largely responsible for the demise of British manufacturing and not our membership of the EEC/EU.

It's just that the problem has existed for longer than some may think.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I asked SILH a simple and straight forward question to explain his reasoning. If you think it apt to turn that into some point scoring, sarcastic mickey taking opportunity then I would ask you why?

Because I am at heart a sad sad individual with no friends in the real world. To be honest life has not really worked out as I expected it would do, so to try and get some self esteem I enjoy pointing out the stupidity of other people on golf forums. I'm not proud to say it actually made me feel better, getting one over on someone I will never actually meet whilst at the same time allowing me to hide behind a vastly exaggerated internet persona to try and portray the illusion that I have a firm grasp on the economic issues effecting this.

And pedantic point scoring, god forbid you'd ever do that

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Whilst I would agree with both SILH and yourself over the effects of globalisation I think your appreciation of history is slightly awry.

Since WW2 British industry has been encouraged to "Export or die" and for some years the tax system was used to discourage domestic consumption of exportable goods such as motor cars.

In addition once Government found that these controls were no longer politically acceptable the demand for imported goods rose significantly resulting in campaigns such as "I'm Backing Britain" launched, I believe, in 1968.

So really we are in agreement that cheap foreign labour, lack of investment and globalisation in general have been largely responsible for the demise of British manufacturing and not our membership of the EEC/EU.

It's just that the problem has existed for longer than some may think.

If I remember correctly the 'cheap foreign labour' in 1968 was English and working in Germany

 

[SocketRocket]

Because I am at heart a sad sad individual with no friends in the real world. To be honest life has not really worked out as I expected it would do, so to try and get some self esteem I enjoy pointing out the stupidity of other people on golf forums. I'm not proud to say it actually made me feel better, getting one over on someone I will never actually meet whilst at the same time allowing me to hide behind a vastly exaggerated internet persona to try and portray the illusion that I have a firm grasp on the economic issues effecting this.

And pedantic point scoring, god forbid you'd ever do that

Once more! It was not my post about pre EU trading and balances, you seem to have taken on yourself to think it was for some reason. Maybe you preferred to apply some preconceived prejudice rather than actually read the post.

I asked SILH to clarify his reply in an earlier thread and I still dont' understand why you choose to intervene using sarcasm.
I wont escalate the situation any further as it wont be in anyones interest.

 

[Old Skier]

If I remember correctly the 'cheap foreign labour' in 1968 was English and working in Germany

I thought Auf Weidersehen Pet started in 1983

 

[Deleted member 18588]

If I remember correctly the 'cheap foreign labour' in 1968 was English and working in Germany

I think you will find that in the 50's & 60's Japanese labour costs were lower than those in the UK.

In addition our clothing industry was starting to suffer from competition with cheaper foreign producers.

 

[drdel]

I just think we need to remember the EU was previously called the EC. The 'C' was community but they decided that was not strong enough to describe the 'Union' of states that the creators wanted to achieve - hence the 'U'.

Now Cameron has tried to get the UK exceptional status and not part of a Union; eventually pressure will continue to build until the UK is a full member.

Such a Union will inevitably mean that wealth from the richer countries flows to the poorer nations at a rate controlled by Brussels NOT by trade or national governments.

If you are happy that the UK's economic health and society's rules are dictated by the largely unelected Brussels gang with expenditure that rises without control then vote to stay in.

Personally I believe the UK will be considerably better off (after a rocky few years) by rejecting the EU. Trade will not be hindered as most EU countries need to sell to the UK and we are currently restricted by the EU in our deals with non-EU countries.

Its funny that both Wales and Scotland wanted devolution because they thought 'local' decisions are more related to their country's needs. The USSR broke up because the 'centre' became remote from the States.

Our membership of NATO etc will be unaffected.

For the sake of future generations I hope we vote to get out of this hugely expensive experiment.

 

[Hobbit]

I just think we need to remember the EU was previously called the EC. The 'C' was community but they decided that was not strong enough to describe the 'Union' of states that the creators wanted to achieve - hence the 'U'.

Now Cameron has tried to get the UK exceptional status and not part of a Union; eventually pressure will continue to build until the UK is a full member.

Such a Union will inevitably mean that wealth from the richer countries flows to the poorer nations at a rate controlled by Brussels NOT by trade or national governments.

If you are happy that the UK's economic health and society's rules are dictated by the largely unelected Brussels gang with expenditure that rises without control then vote to stay in.

Personally I believe the UK will be considerably better off (after a rocky few years) by rejecting the EU. Trade will not be hindered as most EU countries need to sell to the UK and we are currently restricted by the EU in our deals with non-EU countries.

Its funny that both Wales and Scotland wanted devolution because they thought 'local' decisions are more related to their country's needs. The USSR broke up because the 'centre' became remote from the States.

Our membership of NATO etc will be unaffected.

For the sake of future generations I hope we vote to get out of this hugely expensive experiment.

Excellent post!

Alas I fear the doomsayers will be along to cry, woe, woe, and thrice woe.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If Gove, Farage, Johnson, Galloway, Grayling and Duncan-Smith are for it then, whatever it is, I am against it.

 

[SocketRocket]

If Gove, Farage, Johnson, Galloway, Grayling and Duncan-Smith are for it then, whatever it is, I am against it.

If your against it , whatever it is, I'm for it.

 

[SocketRocket]

Excellent post!

Alas I fear the doomsayers will be along to cry, woe, woe, and thrice woe.

Even unto the seventh generation!