EU Referendum

[Hacker Khan]

I shall be voting for staying in, on the grounds that there is nothing that the EU can do to us that could possibly be worse than anything an unrestrained extreme right-wing Tory Government, or for that matter, an extreme left-wing Labour party, could inflict on us! :mmm:

Stop saying sensible things Delc and causing me to agree with you. It's doing my head in as I'm not sure of anything anymore.

I heard Gove moaning that the EU had prevented him from introducing some laws. To which, based on my respect and knowledge of Gove, I say thank you EU. Not sure what the law was though, probably compulsory flogging of working class people or something like that.

 

[Hobbit]

I shall be voting for staying in, on the grounds that there is nothing that the EU can do to us that could possibly be worse than anything an unrestrained extreme right-wing Tory Government, or for that matter, an extreme left-wing Labour party, could inflict on us! :mmm:

You make it sound like they would take us back to the days of Victorian Mill Owners and sending kids up a chimney, or that we would return to the dark days of the 70's and strikes. In both cases the electorate have the opportunity to change who governs us.

As much as the extremes of both parties would like to take us down a particular road it won't happen. And, equally, if the electorate have voted in a party, they have given them a mandate to govern us...

For the paranoid out there, there's no one behind you.

 

[Hacker Khan]

You make it sound like they would take us back to the days of Victorian Mill Owners and sending kids up a chimney, or that we would return to the dark days of the 70's and strikes. In both cases the electorate have the opportunity to change who governs us.

As much as the extremes of both parties would like to take us down a particular road it won't happen. And, equally, if the electorate have voted in a party, they have given them a mandate to govern us...

For the paranoid out there, there's no one behind you.

That's very true. I mean its not as if an extreme political ideology could ever take hold of a major political party in one of the major countries the western free world is it, that would never happen in my lifetime.

Cough Cough Donald Trump and the Republicans Cough Cough.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Do you honestly think that the EU will place trade controls on the UK? As I said the UK is a massive market for them and they will not want anything to restrict their goods being sold here. A suitable free trade arrangement will be in every ones interest and WILL happen.

Hey Socket, great to see you putting your feelings in a song, nice moves there

[video=youtube_share;BBi-KXc0CRk]https://youtu.be/BBi-KXc0CRk[/video]

 

[Hobbit]

That's very true. I mean its not as if an extreme political ideology could ever take hold of a major political party in one of the major countries the western free world is it, that would never happen in my lifetime.

Cough Cough Donald Trump and the Republicans Cough Cough.

And that proves what? That another country has a different political mindset? Well, I am truly shocked to hear that... no, wait Russia also has a different mindset, as does Japan, as does China, as does Brazil....

But thanks for pointing that out.:whoo:

 

[Hacker Khan]

And that proves what? That another country has a different political mindset? Well, I am truly shocked to hear that... no, wait Russia also has a different mindset, as does Japan, as does China, as does Brazil....

But thanks for pointing that out.:whoo:

Doesn't prove anything as as we have established, there are no facts here, just opinions.

But my point was that British politics is very polarised at the moment and the parties in the middle ground have been wiped out. And it probably is a fact that both Labour have lurched to the left and the conservatives to the right. So to me it is not a big leap of imagination to see the extreme voices on both sides becoming more and more 'noisy'. Like has happened in the US, a country we have probably more in common with than we like to think. Trump is mostly playing the 'make the USA great again and stop the immigrants' riff. Does that sound at all familiar to any of the arguments of the exit campaigners over here??

 

[MegaSteve]

Doesn't prove anything as as we have established, there are no facts here, just opinions.

But my point was that British politics is very polarised at the moment and the parties in the middle ground have been wiped out. And it probably is a fact that both Labour have lurched to the left and the conservatives to the right. So to me it is not a big leap of imagination to see the extreme voices on both sides becoming more and more 'noisy'. Like has happened in the US, a country we have probably more in common with than we like to think. Trump is mostly playing the 'make the USA great again and stop the immigrants' riff. Does that sound at all familiar to any of the arguments of the exit campaigners over here??

Hmmm... Believe Cameron is doing his level best to occupy the centre ground previously held by Blair/Brown...

Doing the same as them, proclaiming to be for 'the workers' whilst actually being a puppet for 'the bosses'...
All being ably conducted/assisted by Murd the Turd....

 

[MarkE]

I see Cameron has blocked the members of his party who are on the 'Leave' side, from the use of the civil service. So those on his side has full use of civil servants for all the backup help, speech writing, appointments etc, but those opposing him have to do everything for themselves. So much for giving them free reign to promote their side of the issue.

 

[Fyldewhite]

I see Cameron has blocked the members of his party who are on the 'Leave' side, from the use of the civil service. So those on his side has full use of civil servants for all the backup help, speech writing, appointments etc, but those opposing him have to do everything for themselves. So much for giving them free reign to promote their side of the issue.

The function of the Civil Service is to support the government of the day. I believe (last time I checked) that the government position is to campaign to stay in a reformed EU. Can't therefore see this as unreasonable. Imagine if say Labour were in and some loons were using Civil Servants to campaign for say CND......would you have the same opinion?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see Cameron has blocked the members of his party who are on the 'Leave' side, from the use of the civil service. So those on his side has full use of civil servants for all the backup help, speech writing, appointments etc, but those opposing him have to do everything for themselves. So much for giving them free reign to promote their side of the issue.

Yea.....Just wait until the BBC and UK press get involved, absolute outrage isn't it.

 

[delc]

You make it sound like they would take us back to the days of Victorian Mill Owners and sending kids up a chimney, or that we would return to the dark days of the 70's and strikes. In both cases the electorate have the opportunity to change who governs us.

As much as the extremes of both parties would like to take us down a particular road it won't happen. And, equally, if the electorate have voted in a party, they have given them a mandate to govern us...

For the paranoid out there, there's no one behind you.

Wanna bet?

 

[MegaSteve]

The function of the Civil Service is to support the government of the day. I believe (last time I checked) that the government position is to campaign to stay in a reformed EU. Can't therefore see this as unreasonable. Imagine if say Labour were in and some loons were using Civil Servants to campaign for say CND......would you have the same opinion?

So, if it is government, rather than merely Cameron & Co, telling me to vote in..
I believe that steels my will, even more, to vote exit...

 

[MarkE]

The function of the Civil Service is to support the government of the day. I believe (last time I checked) that the government position is to campaign to stay in a reformed EU. Can't therefore see this as unreasonable. Imagine if say Labour were in and some loons were using Civil Servants to campaign for say CND......would you have the same opinion?

Cameron promised a level playing field to both sides of the argument. This is anything but. We're not talking talking 'Labour and some loons', but rather the most important decision in a generation, so I don't believe one side should have any advantage.
Those mp's usually have full use of the CS and it's being withdrawn. Unfair.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Cameron promised a level playing field to both sides of the argument. This is anything but. We're not talking talking 'Labour and some loons', but rather the most important decision in a generation, so I don't believe one side should have any advantage.
Those mp's usually have full use of the CS and it's being withdrawn. Unfair.

Well, we're not talking about labour........but Bojo, IDS, Farage?? Fair enough it's important but it still isn't the job of the civil service to support what isn't government policy. That may not be fair but it's the way it is.

 

[delc]

The other EU countries want us to stay in. not least because we are one of the biggest nett financial contributors. Does anybody honestly think they will give us an easy time if we vote to leave?

 

[MarkE]

Well, we're not talking about labour........but Bojo, IDS, Farage?? Fair enough it's important but it still isn't the job of the civil service to support what isn't government policy. That may not be fair but it's the way it is.

But it will only harm the 'stay' campaign and Cameron in particular if there's even a hint that they are doing anything underhanded to unfairly influence the vote. Fair enough, the CS place is to support government, but in this instance surely in equity, it should have been left in place for both sides.
Cameron would have garnered more brownie points, by stating CS would be available to both sides, even though technically he could have withdrawn it for the 'Leave' campaign.

 

[Hobbit]

The other EU countries want us to stay in. not least because we are one of the biggest nett financial contributors. Does anybody honestly think they will give us an easy time if we vote to leave?

Are you really suggesting we should fear being bullied?

 

[SocketRocket]

Wanna bet?

OK. What odds will you give me that the Conservatives will send Kids up Chimneys?

 

[Hobbit]

Wanna bet?

:ears:My dad's bigger than your dad:ears:

 

[Old Skier]

400+ MP are in the IN camp.
130 Tories and the ONE kipper on the side of the OUT.
Tory party split straight down the middle.

Summary ......Half the Tory party MP's wish to leave, the other half and nearly all of the other party MP's wish to stay.

All of this on the BBC news so it must be correct.

So you have nothing on Labour or SNP then. BBC not to be trusted it seems.