EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

Dave is really trying it on now by suggesting we will be 'Safer' if we stay in. How on earth can he suggest that the EU open borders will do anything to keep us safe.

 

[Foxholer]

Dave is really trying it on now by suggesting we will be 'Safer' if we stay in. How on earth can he suggest that the EU open borders will do anything to keep us safe.

Quite probably via the 'shared intelligence' organised/managed through Europol!

Of course, the counter-argument is valid too - that an open border can allow terrorists through! However, from the hassle a Tunisian work colleague has had getting back into UK after a couple of trips home to family, the UK definitely does not have open borders! And I'm pretty certain that the openness, or otherwise, of borders will have absolutely no difference to how easily determined terrorists can pass from country to country - EU or otherwise!

Most of the perpetrators of the Paris attacks in November were French citizens, so border control isn't going to affect that!

Back to the 'safer' or not, they are probably both right to an extent - for the different reasons, but the overall balance is unmeasured/unquantifiable!

 

[SocketRocket]

Quite probably via the 'shared intelligence' organised/managed through Europol!

Of course, the counter-argument is valid too - that an open border can allow terrorists through! However, from the hassle a Tunisian work colleague has had getting back into UK after a couple of trips home to family, the UK definitely does not have open borders! And I'm pretty certain that the openness, or otherwise, of borders will have absolutely no difference to how easily determined terrorists can pass from country to country - EU or otherwise!

Most of the perpetrators of the Paris attacks in November were French citizens, so border control isn't going to affect that!

Back to the 'safer' or not, they are probably both right to an extent - for the different reasons, but the overall balance is unmeasured/unquantifiable!

So to make a big shout that we will be safer is somewhat gilding the lily. I cant imagine a situation whereby if the UK exits the EU there will not be cross pollination of security data. I am certain if GCHQ for example had information relating to terrorist activity in France then they would not keep it to themselves.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So to make a big shout that we will be safer is somewhat gilding the lily. I cant imagine a situation whereby if the UK exits the EU there will not be cross pollination of security data. I am certain if GCHQ for example had information relating to terrorist activity in France then they would keep it to themselves.

Did I read that correctly or did you make an error with that last line ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Did I read that correctly or did you make an error with that last line ?

Yes, it should have said 'would not keep it to themselves'

Thanks for noticing.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yes, it should have said 'would not keep it to themselves'

Thanks for noticing.

Thank goodness for that.
I mean we do not want this sort of thing http://www.gagbay.com/gag/stop_the_muslin_invasion-646842/

 

[Foxholer]

So to make a big shout that we will be safer is somewhat gilding the lily. I cant imagine a situation whereby if the UK exits the EU there will not be cross pollination of security data. I am certain if GCHQ for example had information relating to terrorist activity in France then they would not keep it to themselves.

As is saying it will it safer to be out!

Btw. Nothing wrong with gilded lilies! I gave one to my parents for their 50th Wedding Anniversary - with an appropriate note about same! And I don't think it was quite the appropriate metaphor in the first place. Simply 'not the full story' or 'not both sides of the coin' would be more like it - for both arguments!

 

[SocketRocket]

Thank goodness for that.
I mean we do not want this sort of thing http://www.gagbay.com/gag/stop_the_muslin_invasion-646842/

Bit like this

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[Foxholer]

Bit like this

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:rofl: :rofl:

Maybe he was from North Yemen!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If we vote out, has a timetable been discussed for how long after the result we leave? Is it weeks or months?

 

[ger147]

If we vote out, has a timetable been discussed for how long after the result we leave? Is it weeks or months?

There has been no firm commitment nor is the referendum legally binding for us to leave if the vote goes that way as far as I know.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There has been no firm commitment nor is the referendum legally binding for us to leave if the vote goes that way as far as I know.

Cheers

 

[ger147]

This might help. Just Googled it so have no idea if it's a neutral and reliable source but the info looks OK to me at first glance...

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

 

[Old Skier]

Thank goodness for that.
I mean we do not want this sort of thing http://www.gagbay.com/gag/stop_the_muslin_invasion-646842/

I wonder what you where really googling to come up with that.

 

[larmen]

Dave is really trying it on now by suggesting we will be 'Safer' if we stay in. How on earth can he suggest that the EU open borders will do anything to keep us safe.

I don't think either way is safer or less safe. The UK borders aren't open apart from Ireland. Everywhere else you need a passport to go to anyway. And I wouldn't even be able to guess if more radicalised people living here or in France or in Germany, ... .

In regards to sharing information, I don't think the EU countries would exclude the UK from information, just the same as they would like to continue to receive any from GCHQ. Switzerland isn't unsafe for not being in the U.


What I am really wondering is what happens to EU citizens currently living in the UK, and also what happens to UK citizens who currently live abroad.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I wonder what you where really googling to come up with that.

The clue is at the top of the web page

 

[Foxholer]

This might help. Just Googled it so have no idea if it's a neutral and reliable source but the info looks OK to me at first glance...

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

That's really only clarification of what the 'rules' - as in Article 50 - mean!

First time I've heard of the concept of a 2nd referendum on this!

 

[Old Skier]

The clue is at the top of the web page

Yep it was the GAG bit that worried me.

 

[Tashyboy]

Well now Bojo has decided to Brexit, it's gonna be interesting.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I'm finding Cameron's comments about a 'leap into the unknown' highly amusing. We seemed quite happy to take that leap in 1973.