EU Referendum

[FairwayDodger]

Probably true.

But equally, many minds also made up in advance. John Redwood (sadly my MP) isn't going to vote to stay in even if Cameron brought Angela Merkle's head back on a spike.

I've been thinking about this today. It actually seems that almost everyone already knows how they are going to vote regardless of what Cameron's deal ends up looking like.

Is there anyone contributing to this thread that could be swayed one way or the other depending on Dave's Deal?

I'll be voting stay for purely philosophical reasons and couldn't care less what opt outs the UK gets. In fact, I'd prefer if we were full members as per France and Germany etc and aiming for "ever closer union".

 

[Crazyface]

Probably true.

But equally, many minds also made up in advance. John Redwood (sadly my MP) isn't going to vote to stay in even if Cameron brought Angela Merkle's head back on a spike.

That's where it should be anyway. She's not got a brain cell in there at all.

 

[Ethan]

That's where it should be anyway. She's not got a brain cell in there at all.

I don't agree. She is an astute politician and could (and has) run rings around Cameron. But that was a metaphor for a huge victory. I think EU Human Rights legislation prevents putting people's head on spikes, however much the Tories would like to do it as part of their roll back of society to a past time.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

. I think EU Human Rights legislation prevents putting people's head on spikes, .

I really enjoyed this. Had a little chuckle to myself.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I've been thinking about this today. It actually seems that almost everyone already knows how they are going to vote regardless of what Cameron's deal ends up looking like.

Is there anyone contributing to this thread that could be swayed one way or the other depending on Dave's Deal?

I'll be voting stay for purely philosophical reasons and couldn't care less what opt outs the UK gets. In fact, I'd prefer if we were full members as per France and Germany etc and aiming for "ever closer union".

TBH I'm undecided and have watched closely what is being said, reading papers, watching TV, own reserarch, even read every post on here and was watching QT last night and unfortunately don't feel any further forward, in fact I agre with what was said last night that it's like a pantomine.

 

[bluewolf]

I've been thinking about this today. It actually seems that almost everyone already knows how they are going to vote regardless of what Cameron's deal ends up looking like.

Is there anyone contributing to this thread that could be swayed one way or the other depending on Dave's Deal?

I'll be voting stay for purely philosophical reasons and couldn't care less what opt outs the UK gets. In fact, I'd prefer if we were full members as per France and Germany etc and aiming for "ever closer union".

I'm still undecided really.. I like the theory behind closer ties with Europe. I like the philosophy behind uniting nations. However, I just don't think it's being done in a way that brings the people of those nations closer together. It's currently a mess that is actually driving a wedge between the populations of these member states.

 

[SocketRocket]

I've been thinking about this today. It actually seems that almost everyone already knows how they are going to vote regardless of what Cameron's deal ends up looking like.

Is there anyone contributing to this thread that could be swayed one way or the other depending on Dave's Deal?

I'll be voting stay for purely philosophical reasons and couldn't care less what opt outs the UK gets. In fact, I'd prefer if we were full members as per France and Germany etc and aiming for "ever closer union".

If there was an agreement that each country had control of migration such they could decide on numbers then I could accept the rest of the issues. It just will not happen though.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

I expect the deal has been done by the minions/advisors ages ago. All they are doing now is working out some weaselly words to make it look like every leader can save face when they get back to their electorate.

Up to a point; afterall we've known for ages what Cameron has been negotiating and what the other Member States could accept. However on the 'big ticket' items these will not have been agreed in advance hence the on-going discussions.

 

[Old Skier]

Probably true.

But equally, many minds also made up in advance. John Redwood (sadly my MP) isn't going to vote to stay in even if Cameron brought Angela Merkle's head back on a spike.

He's been anti EU for his whole political life just like a certain Mr Corbyn but as he's a Labour man I suppose that's ok

 

[Ethan]

He's been anti EU for his whole political life just like a certain Mr Corbyn but as he's a Labour man I suppose that's ok

I don't think Redwood and Corbyn's positions were ever quite the same.

Redwood is a little Englander's out, out, out and nothing will convince him,. He has voted against EU integration almost all the time.

Corbyn has a mixed voting record, and has voted for and against various EU bills, mostly along the effects on ordinary working people. That is consistent with his overall policy position.

I agree with much Corbyn says, but if he endorses an out vote, I will disagree with him. But he won't.

 

[Old Skier]

I agree with much Corbyn says, but if he endorses an out vote, I will disagree with him. But he won't.

Prior to being leader he has always wanted out. He will vote in what is best for him especially if he can achieve some political gains from it. He, like most polititions will say one thing and vote a completely different way and we will never know.

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't think Redwood and Corbyn's positions were ever quite the same.

Redwood is a little Englander's out, out, out and nothing will convince him,. He has voted against EU integration almost all the time.

Corbyn has a mixed voting record, and has voted for and against various EU bills, mostly along the effects on ordinary working people. That is consistent with his overall policy position.

I agree with much Corbyn says, but if he endorses an out vote, I will disagree with him. But he won't.

Some might see that as being a 'Big Englander'. Neither are valid if they are terms to disparage an opposing view.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Probably true.

But equally, many minds also made up in advance. John Redwood (sadly my MP) isn't going to vote to stay in even if Cameron brought Angela Merkle's head back on a spike.

..and there was me bemoaning having Jeremy Hunt as mine

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Latest from the talks........UK still allowed to drive on the left.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Latest from the talks........UK still allowed to drive on the left.

And the Italians have permission to drive in the shade

 

[spongebob59]

Jason Rees Mogg can expect a cup of water now

http://order-order.com/2015/11/10/the-mogg-on-daves-thin-gruel/

 

[Hacker Khan]

Jason Rees Mogg can expect a cup of water now

http://order-order.com/2015/11/10/the-mogg-on-daves-thin-gruel/

I see Michael Gove is also in the leave camp now. And if the prospect of aligning yourself with Gove and the Tory Boy you've linked to do not persuade you that staying in is a good thing then nothing will...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Michael Gove.......next Tory party leader ?
Seems to have a lot of support from the members.

 

[MegaSteve]

I see Michael Gove is also in the leave camp now. And if the prospect of aligning yourself with Gove and the Tory Boy you've linked to do not persuade you that staying in is a good thing then nothing will...

No surprise about Gove...

Has Boris announced what his intentions are?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Michael Gove.......next Tory party leader ?
Seems to have a lot of support from the members.

God help us. If it's a competition between him and Osborne I may well emigrate. Assuming I still can.

I tell you, we are going to hell in a handcart now that the Liberal Democrats have been wiped out and we are just blindly following the US model of extremist politics and ideologies on both sides (well you could argue that the democrats are not extremist but the mental Republicans seem to make up for that). Meaning that compromise, which generally is the way to get things done, will become increasingly impossible.