EU Referendum

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not suggesting anything. I am asking the question about what will stop Poles (wanting to head to the UK for whatever reason) from travelling to RoI, and then crossing the border into NI; then taking the ferry from Larne (in NI) to Stranraer.

That's what I am asking

If the answer is 'nothing' then fine. But let's not pretend that the border and hence immigration will be completely controlled

1. They won't get benefits

2. They won't be able to work

3. They won't get medical services

4. They won't be able to bring their families across

5. They won't be able to cross into Mainland UK from anywhere.

6. They won't be able to claim asylum

Now tell me why they would come to the UK

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do you not agree that EU migration has kept wages down for the low paid.

The employers pay the wages. If you are going to blame anyone for low wages blame the employers for paying a pittance not those willing to work for that pittance. Besides. Low wages have enabled employers to employ more people and so employment reaches record levels (boasted the government yesterday)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

1. They won't get benefits

2. They won't be able to work

3. They won't get medical services

4. They won't be able to bring their families across

5. They won't be able to cross into Mainland UK from anywhere.

6. They won't be able to claim asylum

Heard of the Larne to Stranraer ferry?

And I'm asking about those who choose to come to the UK despite all you list above. What if 100 a day just decide for the hell of it - as they think they'll find something. What we going to do?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Heard of the Larne to Stranraer ferry?

And I'm asking about those who choose to come to the UK despite all you list above. What if 100 a day just decide for the hell of it - as they think they'll find something. What we going to do?

Well I would imagine that if they enter or try to enter without the correct paperwork then they would be returned to where they came from.

 

[Hobbit]

Heard of the Larne to Stranraer ferry?

And I'm asking about those who choose to come to the UK despite all you list above. What if 100 a day just decide for the hell of it - as they think they'll find something. What we going to do?

I've also heard of the Dunkirk Dover ferry, and that isn't exactly bursting with those in Sangat is it.

 

[Foxholer]

Not convinced that the deal that 'May' be ratified is good enough to make a dot of difference to most peoples voting intentions, it's just a cosmetic stitch up by Cameron and his mates IMO. If it included a 'Brake' on EU migration if WE thought it necessary then I think it may have been good enough, but not the proposed limp concession.

That may be the case.

But DC is gambling (I believe) on getting a good enough deal to be able to sell it to sufficient of the waverers to get the 'Stay' result that he wants whenever the referendum takes place. We'll have to wait and see whether that turns out to be the case. I frankly don't think it's going to change the minds of any of the contributors to this thread though!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Heard of the Larne to Stranraer ferry?

And I'm asking about those who choose to come to the UK despite all you list above. What if 100 a day just decide for the hell of it - as they think they'll find something. What we going to do?

Yep heard of it - how can they expect to come into the country without the proper paperwork

There is far more ways to enter via Kent yet people don't flood through there

 

[SocketRocket]

that is one of the best questions posed on here ever! That certainly will have the closet BNP and UKIP voters having to confront their prejudices. I salute you sir!

I would rather Children lived with their parents whether that be here or abroad. I have no problem with people working in the UK, paying tax and getting child benefits, my only issue is 'How Many'.

This is what the Conservatives laid out in their 2015 manifesto that people voted for:

If an EU migrant’s child is living abroad, then they should receive no child benefit or child tax credit, no matter how long they have worked in the UK and no matter how much tax they have paid.

 

[SocketRocket]

The employers pay the wages. If you are going to blame anyone for low wages blame the employers for paying a pittance not those willing to work for that pittance. Besides. Low wages have enabled employers to employ more people and so employment reaches record levels (boasted the government yesterday)

Employers that pay low wages pay the rate they can get away with. The large numbers of migrants from low wage countries are very happy to receive what we might call poor wages as they are much better than they can get at home. This IMO has been a major problem where the EU has allowed poor countries free access to the EU labour market which creates a one way flow. How many people have flocked to Romania or Bulgaria.

 

[Foxholer]

Employers that pay low wages pay the rate they can get away with. The large numbers of migrants from low wage countries are very happy to receive what we might call poor wages as they are much better than they can get at home. This IMO has been a major problem where the EU has allowed poor countries free access to the EU labour market which creates a one way flow. How many people have flocked to Romania or Bulgaria.

Actually, I've known several! Maybe not a flock and they had/have specific skills that were in demand - or were entrepreneurs. The migrants to UK tend to be at the other end of the earnings scale - and there are a lot more in that category!

 

[jp5]

The employers pay the wages. If you are going to blame anyone for low wages blame the employers for paying a pittance not those willing to work for that pittance. Besides. Low wages have enabled employers to employ more people and so employment reaches record levels (boasted the government yesterday)

Can't blame employers for minimising costs while there's an oversupply of labour and a minimum wage that is much higher than migrant workers could earn back home.

 

[SocketRocket]

So still 'NO DEAL' for David this Morning. This is just becoming embarrassing now where we have to beg for permission on how we pay benefits in our own Nation. He should walk out, try and retain a shred of dignity then let the electorate decide.

 

[Hobbit]

So still 'NO DEAL' for David this Morning. This is just becoming embarrassing now where we have to beg for permission on how we pay benefits in our own Nation. He should walk out, try and retain a shred of dignity then let the electorate decide.

To be fair, he's trying to get a rule change. I dare say many of us on here have been to AGM's and had a far easier ride getting jeans accepted.

 

[Hacker Khan]

To be fair, he's trying to get a rule change. I dare say many of us on here have been to AGM's and had a far easier ride getting jeans accepted.

Are you saying the EU will introduce a law to say jeans can be worn in the clubhouse at all golf courses?

If so I feel that may well be the straw that breaks the camels back. Golfers beware, first it was straight bananas, next it will be jeans and flip flops on the golf course. Vote out, vote Nigel and hop off you frogs!!!

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Was never going to be a deal after the first round of talks - that's how the top EU negotiations work. From my experience talks go on through the night, followed by bilateral / trilateral discussions to get people onside and offer some concessions, and then resume again at some point after a few hours rest. If a deal is to be done today then would expect it to be announced at some point this afternoon - no one wants to be stuck in EU land over the weekend!!

 

[Hacker Khan]

I expect the deal has been done by the minions/advisors ages ago. All they are doing now is working out some weaselly words to make it look like every leader can save face when they get back to their electorate.

 

[Crazyface]

So still 'NO DEAL' for David this Morning. This is just becoming embarrassing now where we have to beg for permission on how we pay benefits in our own Nation. He should walk out, try and retain a shred of dignity then let the electorate decide.

THIS !!!

If they (EU) want us to stay in, lets face it, they NEED US TO STAY IN, why don't they just let us have what we want and take our money? Oh no, not enough, THEY WANT TO CONTROL US TOO. Well Dave should be a big man and walk out and say stuff you all we're DONE here. We're OUT !!! Good luck with the immigrants an' all. T'RAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Crazyface]

I've also heard of the Dunkirk Dover ferry, and that isn't exactly bursting with those in Sangat is it.

Because there are tight controls there. Unlike the train. Worst thing EVER !

 

[SocketRocket]

I expect the deal has been done by the minions/advisors ages ago. All they are doing now is working out some weaselly words to make it look like every leader can save face when they get back to their electorate.

That's probably right. The stitch up was probably agreed months ago and this is a farce to make everyone believe they have won.

 

[Ethan]

That's probably right. The stitch up was probably agreed months ago and this is a farce to make everyone believe they have won.

Probably true.

But equally, many minds also made up in advance. John Redwood (sadly my MP) isn't going to vote to stay in even if Cameron brought Angela Merkle's head back on a spike.