EU Referendum

[drdel]

^^^ I agree BiM: what seems to have escaped many who claim the UK is suffering is just how much more pain we would be landed with as the EU struggles. France and Germany still want to act as an elite 'core' set of inner members are concerned they are going to be stuck with the bill for the EU's lack of growth and the quantitative easing that is exposing weaknesses in the IMF's think and the major EU Bank's exposure. The old USSR state have never contributed a penny since joining, Greece is still a major issue.

Believe me, as the next couple of years will show, the pain of staying would be much higher than leaving.

 

[Old Skier]

Well said, your turning around of The Pied Piper analogy is excellent.

It was all bar the bit about Bruxelles - it was Hamelin in Germany.

 

[williamalex1]

It was all bar the bit about Bruxelles - it was Hamelin in Germany.

A line from a Neil Diamond song springs to mind.:smirk:

 

[vkurup]

The markets above referendum levels, unemployment continues to fall, sales of goods up 5.9% with corresponding month last year, prices steady remaining well below BOE target of 2%, credit rating agency Moody's predict the economy 'to slow down modestly but will not enter recession'. All good news that belies Osbourne and his chums dire warnings of an economic apocalypse.

Don't forget to add our great showing at the Olympics to that list.. Shows how well a targeted British raised money spent in Britian on British sportspeople can achieve fab results.

 

[SocketRocket]

It was all bar the bit about Bruxelles - it was Hamelin in Germany.

It was meant to be a play on that story using the Commissioners of the UK as the Piper and the EU Countries as the Children. It would not have been very good if the Commissioners came from Hamelin

 

[MarkE]

We haven't left the EU yet! But the Pound Sterling is already severely devalued as a result of uncertainty about the future!

We were told a vote to leave would be a disaster for the country. Well i'm still waiting for it to happen. Perhaps the economists, once again, got it completely wrong and brexit is not the great disaster after all. The Pound getting devalued is no great problem, it will find it's own level on the markets. Don't be so pessimistic, the future is as certain as at any other time. We are leaving the eu and will make a success of it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

The Pound getting devalued is no great problem, it will find it's own level on the markets.

And has actually boosted the economy due to Brits holidaying in the UK rather than going abroad due to the increased costs of foreign holidays.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Tell that to my daughter who is now paying 15% more for imported goods essential to her business.

 

[MarkE]

Tell that to my daughter who is now paying 15% more for imported goods essential to her business.

Swings and roundabouts. The weak pound is a boost for tourism and exporters. In any case, the fall in value is just a reaction to brexit and it will find it's true level once people stop panicking.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

Tell that to my daughter who is now paying 15% more for imported goods essential to her business.

There's an argument to say that if we hadn't destroyed our manufacturing industries a couple of generations ago she may not have had to import such a huge proportion of the essential bits and bobs.

The socio-economic decisions made back then were influenced, but not led, by joining the Common Market. Some people benefited, many, many people lost out hugely - a lot more than your daughter, I'm afraid.

The country survived and prospered and changed the way it dealt with the rest of the world. That is, the people with money and influence prospered. The working class were downtrodden then, and they are pretty downtrodden now.

Now our country is going to do exactly the same thing again. Just hopefully without the race riots and our government deliberately destroying whole communities just to prove a point.

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Me? I love a bit of European irony, me ...

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

A line from a Neil Diamond song springs to mind.:smirk:

Did you ever read about a frog
Who dreamed of being a king
And then became one
Well except for the names and a few other changes

:lol:..
...
....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Swings and roundabouts. The weak pound is a boost for tourism and exporters. In any case, the fall in value is just a reaction to brexit and it will find it's true level once people start panicking.

Old cynical me couldn't resist that wee change.:lol:

 

[williamalex1]

Did you ever read about a frog
Who dreamed of being a king
And then became one
Well except for the names and a few other changes

:lol:..
...
....

:thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Two months on an Exit Plan is perhaps the least we could have expected - even just a top level plan. But we have heard nothing. I'm not asking for detail, just a set of activities and milestones that will deliver the Brexit objectives.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

Two months on an Exit Plan is perhaps the least we could have expected - even just a top level plan. But we have heard nothing. I'm not asking for detail, just a set of activities and milestones that will deliver the Brexit objectives.

Tut, tut. Now we've told you - Auntie Theresa doesn't like her holiday interrupted. I mean you can't expect her to worry about trivial stuff like the country when she's got her jollies in Switzerland to worry about. She'll be back on Wednesday or Thursday.

Then she can start making plans about getting everyone together when their hols are finished. There will obviously be some admin to catch up on and a few emails.

Then she can start chatting to the Brexit team and running a few ideas up the flagpole.

So you can expect a rough outline sometime around next Easter, I'd imagine.

 

[MarkE]

Two months on an Exit Plan is perhaps the least we could have expected - even just a top level plan. But we have heard nothing. I'm not asking for detail, just a set of activities and milestones that will deliver the Brexit objectives.

You don't think nothing is happening surely? Preparations are being made behind the scenes. Article 50 is being invoked in the new year at which time the government will have their strategy in place. There's no need to keep feeding the public every little titbit.

 

[Foxholer]

You don't think nothing is happening surely? Preparations are being made behind the scenes. Article 50 is being invoked in the new year at which time the government will have their strategy in place. There's no need to keep feeding the public every little titbit.

But at the pace of an escargot!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...endum-result-europe-theresa-may-a7189851.html

 

[MarkE]

But at the pace of an escargot!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...endum-result-europe-theresa-may-a7189851.html

That's not news is it? We know it will take at least 2 years to untangle ourselves from the eu mess. The Independent continually runs negative stories on brexit, always looking on the downside of any news while conveniently ignoring the positives.

 

[Foxholer]

That's not news is it? We know it will take at least 2 years to untangle ourselves from the eu mess. The Independent continually runs negative stories on brexit, always looking on the downside of any news while conveniently ignoring the positives.

Does that alter any facts though? Is the article correct - negative story or not?! I suspect that there ARE sources that have provided those estimates. And the German and French elections could well mean that different folk are involved - not so much from Germany imo.

I'm pretty certain that it'll take a lot longer than 2 years to 'untangle ourselves from the eu' mess or no mess! The 2 years was/is merely a, fairly arbitrary, value set to limit Article 50 negotiations - once it is triggered!

Have there been any 'positives' wrt Brexit yet - actual result excluded?

I trust you believe this article is negative! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...ndum-effect-uk-tourism-spending-a7204811.html

 

[IanM]

So much nonsense from all sides here...

Simply.... recent weeks saw the currency and equity indices react as they do for any change in conditions or uncertainty. After a few weeks this corrects, unless something bad actually happens. Hence, my shares are back ABOVE January levels.

The Out camp are saying, "see everything's wonderful!" The BBC...um, the Remain Lobby are saying the opposite.

The Civil Service are certainly getting the Leave resources ready and I am aware of some projects which are purely EU Directive driven, being canned.

BUT - the PM hasn't invoked Art 50 yet... now has really happened.

Interesting to see how the Federalist Noises inside the commission are strengthening... giving up pretending perhaps?

Long term economic prospects for Eurozone are bad, from where I am sitting. Major "contributor" country voting Out... Central Banks in 4 States in really bad shape. Not looking good... no mention of this on the BBC though