EU Referendum

[Doon frae Troon]

Employment now at best ever record levels in Scotland thanks to Nigel and Boris.

 

[SocketRocket]

Employment now at best ever record levels in Scotland thanks to Nigel and Boris.

Or you could say that unemployment at lowest levels for 11 years in the UK. No thanks to Nicola though.

 

[Foxholer]

Just picked this up as been distracted over last couple of weeks - Project Fear? Well it's not as if we weren't warned. Wonder what the 61% of the Sunderland area who voted to leave think of this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37024707

This was something I stated was a potentially huge loss thousands of posts ago - and I was very surprised when I saw the massive Sunderland Brexit result (over 70%?) when it appeared live (one of the very early results - about 2nd from memory!)!

The actual article has nothing actually new in it though! It's merely speculation of a (potential) upcoming funding point! To my mind, this is not an article that should be allowed its own 'billing' nationally on the BBC site - though fine to be either mentioned as part of an overall review of 'what's happened since Brexit/consequences going forward' or as a 'local to Sunderland' item!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Music to your ears. Bet you really got off on that :thup:

Not at all.

 

[MarkE]

The markets above referendum levels, unemployment continues to fall, sales of goods up 5.9% with corresponding month last year, prices steady remaining well below BOE target of 2%, credit rating agency Moody's predict the economy 'to slow down modestly but will not enter recession'. All good news that belies Osbourne and his chums dire warnings of an economic apocalypse.

 

[Fyldewhite]

The markets above referendum levels, unemployment continues to fall, sales of goods up 5.9% with corresponding month last year, prices steady remaining well below BOE target of 2%, credit rating agency Moody's predict the economy 'to slow down modestly but will not enter recession'. All good news that belies Osbourne and his chums dire warnings of an economic apocalypse.

Ahh, but we are still in the EU at the mo......

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ahh, but we are still in the EU at the mo......

...and what period(s) do these statistics relate to?

I don't want our economy to fail as a result of Brexit - of course I don't - but I am worried that some of the forecasts pre-referendum might actually come to pass - and for what long term gain I just still don't get.

 

[SocketRocket]

Ahh, but we are still in the EU at the mo......

Irrespective of being in the EU :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

...and what period(s) do these statistics relate to?

I don't want our economy to fail as a result of Brexit - of course I don't - but I am worried that some of the forecasts pre-referendum might actually come to pass - and for what long term gain I just still don't get.

You don't want to get it, do you?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You don't want to get it, do you?

I'd like someone to tell me what we're actually going to be getting with Brexit - then I might get it. Now nearly two months since the referendum and we're no wiser about the objectives of the UK Government beyond: we are leaving the EU; no freedom of movement of EU citizens into the UK; UK access to the EU single market (tariff free or maybe access not required at all). And we knew that two months ago and that altogether these they are almost certainly not achievable. And as far as the benefits that leaving and that that lot would bring - who knows?

I'm hoping this all works out as it is my children and grandchildren who need it to work - not me.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'd like someone to tell me what we're actually going to be getting with Brexit - then I might get it. Now nearly two months since the referendum and we're no wiser about the objectives of the UK Government beyond: we are leaving the EU; no freedom of movement of EU citizens into the UK; UK access to the EU single market (tariff free or maybe access not required at all). And we knew that two months ago and that altogether these they are almost certainly not achievable. And as far as the benefits that leaving and that that lot would bring - who knows?

I'm hoping this all works out as it is my children and grandchildren who need it to work - not me.

You are not stupid so you will be aware that Brexit means we will leave the EU. The terms of that exit are subject to negotiation, even you cant honestly believe that you would be informed of the result before the negotiations are complete.

I cant see the Government getting Parliamentary approval from it's own party unless Brexit excludes the Free Movement of People, that we will not contribute to the EU coffers even if that means we do not have full access to the Single Market. We will need the freedom to trade freely with the rest of the world and make our own trade agreements.

Be patient and accept that Remain lost the vote, some things may be tough and others may be beneficial. You will, just like everyone else have to wait a few years to find out, but you already know that.

 

[williamalex1]

You are not stupid so you will be aware that Brexit means we will leave the EU. The terms of that exit are subject to negotiation, even you cant honestly believe that you would be informed of the result before the negotiations are complete.

I cant see the Government getting Parliamentary approval from it's own party unless Brexit excludes the Free Movement of People, that we will not contribute to the EU coffers even if that means we do not have full access to the Single Market. We will need the freedom to trade freely with the rest of the world and make our own trade agreements.

Be patient and accept that Remain lost the vote, some things may be tough and others may be beneficial. You will, just like everyone else have to wait a few years to find out, but you already know that.

As Gloria sang , I (we) will survive.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

I'd like someone to tell me what we're actually going to be getting with Brexit - then I might get it. Now nearly two months since the referendum and we're no wiser about the objectives of the UK Government beyond: we are leaving the EU; no freedom of movement of EU citizens into the UK; UK access to the EU single market (tariff free or maybe access not required at all). And we knew that two months ago and that altogether these they are almost certainly not achievable. And as far as the benefits that leaving and that that lot would bring - who knows?

I'm hoping this all works out as it is my children and grandchildren who need it to work - not me.

If you're worried about the outcome for your children then why do you want immediate answers?
Firstly we all knew nothing would be happening now - the government has to have its hols so everything stops for tiffin.
You've still got your negative assumptions even tho' there has been no movement on that direction - for the foreseeable future we have freedom of movement. We have access to the free market.
Before we joined the common market we had failing manufacturing, an underfunded NHS, an unbalanced education system favouring the rich and retirement at 65. The only difference now is that the retirement age has gone up.
None of that will change for your children either. The little people will still be screwed over by the rich and powerful.
The big picture won't change for most of us one way or the other.
In my daughter's circle of friends 1 young lady has moved to work abroad. All the rest work for big corporates same as my generation. Free movement won't affect many round here.
Wealth is relevant to the rest of the population. The Tory government created huge unemployment in parts of the country whilst we were in the Common Market because it suited their political aims. Leaving won't affect that one way or the other.
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[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As a Remainer I have to accept that we are leaving - I just wish I was more confident that leaving will bring any gains and not simply years of pain for many before getting back to where would have been anyway.

And all in the name of 'control' when the amount of 'control' we will have in the end is I suspect not actually going to make a lot of difference to those who have suffered in the transition. But hey ho. The majority of those who voted followed the Pied Piper that was BoJo Farage - and we know what happened to the children of Hamelin and what happened to the Pied Piper.

 

[SocketRocket]

As a Remainer I have to accept that we are leaving - I just wish I was more confident that leaving will bring any gains and not simply years of pain for many before getting back to where would have been anyway.

And all in the name of 'control' when the amount of 'control' we will have in the end is I suspect not actually going to make a lot of difference to those who have suffered in the transition. But hey ho. The majority of those who voted followed the Pied Piper that was BoJo Farage - and we know what happened to the children of Hamelin and what happened to the Pied Piper.

You don't get any better, do you? You make the mistake so many of the remainers make with their entitlement attitudes that we didn't understand what we were voting for and were taken in by politicians. We voted to leave the EU because in general we don't like it and it's institutions. Yes we want more control and we will probably get it even if we have to pay for it; although I doubt that it will be a high price. As long as we don't sell out to Free Movement,, can make trade agreements with whoever we like and our courts are supreme then it will be exactly what most of us wanted. Your analogy with the Pied Piper is exactly what the EU is about, you could not have given a better example, the nations of europe being taken away from their freedoms and national identities by a sinister piper who takes them all down a path to a place where they lose control of their lives. Well done, great story and we know what happened to the children and piper of Bruxelles don't we :thup:

 

[dewsweeper]

You don't get any better, do you? You make the mistake so many of the remainers make with their entitlement attitudes that we didn't understand what we were voting for and were taken in by politicians. We voted to leave the EU because in general we don't like it and it's institutions. Yes we want more control and we will probably get it even if we have to pay for it; although I doubt that it will be a high price. As long as we don't sell out to Free Movement,, can make trade agreements with whoever we like and our courts are supreme then it will be exactly what most of us wanted. Your analogy with the Pied Piper is exactly what the EU is about, you could not have given a better example, the nations of europe being taken away from their freedoms and national identities by a sinister piper who takes them all down a path to a place where they lose control of their lives. Well done, great story and we know what happened to the children and piper of Bruxelles don't we :thup:

Well said, your turning around of The Pied Piper analogy is excellent.

 

[MarkE]

Ahh, but we are still in the EU at the mo......

I was just mentioning that the economic meltdown promised by the economists if we voted to leave has'nt materialized.

 

[delc]

I was just mentioning that the economic meltdown promised by the economists if we voted to leave has'nt materialized.

We haven't left the EU yet! But the Pound Sterling is already severely devalued as a result of uncertainty about the future!

 

[SocketRocket]

We haven't left the EU yet! But the Pound Sterling is already severely devalued as a result of uncertainty about the future!

It's devalued but not due to Brexit as such but the wheelings and Dealings of speculators and I suspect also by the poor actions of the BOE. Devaluation has pros and cons and will more than likely level out soon. We were told the financial markets would take a massive shock and that has just not happened.

 

[Blue in Munich]

As a Remainer I have to accept that we are leaving - I just wish I was more confident that leaving will bring any gains and not simply years of pain for many before getting back to where would have been anyway.

And all in the name of 'control' when the amount of 'control' we will have in the end is I suspect not actually going to make a lot of difference to those who have suffered in the transition. But hey ho. The majority of those who voted followed the Pied Piper that was BoJo Farage - and we know what happened to the children of Hamelin and what happened to the Pied Piper.

That BoJo Farage, as you put it, could seduce so many people into voting for what is apparently so obviously a bad deal for the UK surely underlines what a bloody awful job "Call Me Dave" did of explaining to the supposedly stupid masses what the impact would be.

You seem to be doing an awful lot of finger pointing over this. You might do well to consider an old Dire Straits lyric; "When you point you finger 'cause your plans fell through, there's three more fingers pointing back at you".