SocketRocket
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Are you for real. Do you honestly believe the remain camp didn't Stoke up people's fears to take advantage of their political careers.
EU Referendum
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Are you for real. Do you honestly believe the remain camp didn't Stoke up people's fears to take advantage of their political careers.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
And I raise you
to high skilled workers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36763212
and investment.
Seems like some of those small business's out there have a little faith.
V
vkurup
Guest
Great stuff... we need more such stories.
My only concern is that we need both Boeing as well as the Lushs of the world to be here.. In case of Lush, you can almost be sure that they probably made the decision before the referendum, but the media does not like letting detail get in the way of a good story.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Despite not really wishing to have one - surely May must calla General Election - if not now then as soon as the government triggers Article 50 - simply on the grounds that the Tories were elected on the basis of their manifesto and it can now be chucked out of the window.
Viewed through the prism of Brexit the UK is a very different place to that addressed by the party manifestos, and so none of the manifestos for the last GE are relevant today - and that includes the one upon which the Tories were elected. Already we have seen Osborne dump the austerity targets for 2020.
Viewed through the prism of Brexit the UK is a very different place to that addressed by the party manifestos, and so none of the manifestos for the last GE are relevant today - and that includes the one upon which the Tories were elected. Already we have seen Osborne dump the austerity targets for 2020.
Political landscapes change throughout every session of Parliament, whether it's going to war, which is never in a manifesto, or a global economic crash. That said, the referendum was in the Tory manifesto.
You're grasping at straws in the hope an election would see the Tories out. The only thing it would achieve, with Labour in the shambles it is, is a greater margin for the Tories. Waste of time and money.
Foxholer
Blackballed
1. It might be a reason to call one, but is in no way a compelling one! Realization that manifesto statements cannot be achieved has never been a cause to call a GE!
2. Osborne's dumping of the zero deficit pledge was 'forced by the result of the referendum', so quite justifiably dumped! Also much better, politically, to announce it now than to wait until just before 2020 and attempt to blame it then!
3. As Parliamentary terms are now fixed term, she, or Cameron until he resigns, cannot simply instigate a GE!!!
Shorter terms can only be generated by a vote of no-confidence! Given that both PM and PM-elect are Remainers, it's conceivable that a VoNC could be instigated by a Brexitter and one could possibly be forced - by the Tory Brexitters siding with all opposition! That would likely cause complete chaos!! Labour is in disarray and Tories wouldn't know whether to pledge to continue with the Brexit or have another referendum - which, again, could go either way!
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Old Skier
Tour Winner
Sounds like someone desperate to delay the wishes of the majority.
MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
Do we really need another public vote on anything? The Tories would win by a landslide anyway, with no viable opposition in place. May has enough on her plate as it is, so should just get on with it.
gregbwfc
Q-School Graduate
The Commons are going to debate that petition on a 2nd referendum
Not sure it'll get anywhere but will this not just delay any decision/negotiations further ?
Not sure it'll get anywhere but will this not just delay any decision/negotiations further ?
MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
No. They just have to go through the motions after getting a certain amount of signatures. Just bitter remainers who did'nt like the outcome so it's going nowhere.The Commons are going to debate that petition on a 2nd referendum
Not sure it'll get anywhere but will this not just delay any decision/negotiations further ?
gregbwfc
Q-School Graduate
Well I voted remain but am certainly not bitter.
Just wish they'd get on with negotiating and think they'd be better off spending time on debating how best to do this rather than on a petition.
MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
I was'nt suggesting you were. Rather those who signed the petition looking for a second bite of the cherry. I agree, we have more pressing things to be getting on with but unfortunately they have to debate it. Not that they'll waste much time on the matter.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
The Commons are going to debate that petition on a 2nd referendum
Not sure it'll get anywhere but will this not just delay any decision/negotiations further ?
According to the BBC News website the petition has been rejected so there won't be a debate about it.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36754376
gregbwfc
Q-School Graduate
Righto :thup:
I'd only seen it on the Sky news ticker.
Got a bit more info now and you're right, it'll change nowt
Fyldewhite
Tour Winner
There won't be an election. The last thing we need given the mess we are already in. Needs either a 2/3 majority or a no confidence vote neither of which has a chance of happening. Nor should there need to be just because of the change of PM. Mind you, plenty who now agree with that were saying different when Gordon Brown was in.
As a left of centre remainer I think we could have done a lot worse than Theresa May (Oh God, did I really say that). The prospect of Boris, Gove or latterly Leadsom really worried me. Give her a chance "safe pair of hands" and all that and see where we are at the end of the term. There is (unfortunately) no alternative as Labour has simply imploded.....talk about history repeating itself. I worry where we will head after that though when the brave new world doesn't happen.....because the only certainty at the moment is that people won't get what they voted for.
As a left of centre remainer I think we could have done a lot worse than Theresa May (Oh God, did I really say that). The prospect of Boris, Gove or latterly Leadsom really worried me. Give her a chance "safe pair of hands" and all that and see where we are at the end of the term. There is (unfortunately) no alternative as Labour has simply imploded.....talk about history repeating itself. I worry where we will head after that though when the brave new world doesn't happen.....because the only certainty at the moment is that people won't get what they voted for.
MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
Sky news are reporting it will be debated on 5th Sept?
MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
I think i'll get what I voted for. Our independence from eu rule. One way or another we'll be outside of the eu. Onwards and upwards.:thup:
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I agree with all of the above. My point about a GE fairly soon is simply because the whole context of UK government policy has changed with Brexit - every manifesto pledge will have to be revisited and adjusted or dumped accordingly. I don't want a GE; I know that to call one is not straightforward; and I know that it would probably be disastrous for Labour and would probably also weaken the SNP. I just don't know that the Tory government has any mandate for the policies it is going to have to put in place and follow now that we are leaving. If the Tory manifesto defined what Brexit would actually mean then that would be different - but I don't believe it did - other than in the very broadest terms.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Except as soon as we agree trade or other deals with the EU then we will have to give away some control, sovereignty and independence to the EU as the UK is required to adhere to the rules and conditions for that trade as will be set out by the EU. And the same giving away of control will apply to every deal that we strike.
But hey - don't let that stop you from believing
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
I would assume that the Conservatives could say that the mandate for them to change their policies has been given to them by the 52% that voted to leave in the referendum. Around 11 million (approx 36%) people voted Conservative during the 2015 election with a turn out of around 66% . Approx 17.4 million people voted for Brexit with a turn out of 72%. Surely that gives them the mandate to implement policies that will allow Brexit to happen and change their pre election manifesto.
And if we had a GE every time a party of which ever persuasion failed to follow through with a manifesto pledge or changed a policy that was in their manifesto then we'd be having two or three elections each year.
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