EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

We have developed a "throwaway" culture. We dispose of perfectly workable goods, in a quest to stay relevant and significant. We display our wealth like a badge of honour, little caring that it is built on exploitation of the third world. This culture has been force fed to us by a political elite, financed by big business, all in the name of continuing growth. Any attempt to move away from that model will be met with significant resistance.

* All typed on an iPhone, whilst watching the cricket on Sky, on a large flat screen Sony TV!!!!

I tend to agree with this

 

[Fish]

We have developed a "throwaway" culture. We dispose of perfectly workable goods, in a quest to stay relevant and significant. We display our wealth like a badge of honour, little caring that it is built on exploitation of the third world. This culture has been force fed to us by a political elite, financed by big business, all in the name of continuing growth. Any attempt to move away from that model will be met with significant resistance.

* All typed on an iPhone, whilst watching the cricket on Sky, on a large flat screen Sony TV!!!!

In the bedroom whilst the kids watch TV in their bedroom and hid watches Eastenders downstairs on the latest curve TV in HD with 2 cars out the front

 

[bluewolf]

I tend to agree with this

Which goes to show that if you discuss something for long enough, you'll eventually realize that you share a similar viewpoint :thup:

In the bedroom whilst the kids watch TV in their bedroom and hid watches Eastenders downstairs on the latest curve TV in HD with 2 cars out the front

The only TV rule in my house. No TV's in the bedroom. Or consoles etc. The boy has a computer for his schoolwork, but if you want to watch TV then you do it downstairs.

 

[Fish]

Which goes to show that if you discuss something for long enough, you'll eventually realize that you share a similar viewpoint :thup:


The only TV rule in my house. No TV's in the bedroom. Or consoles etc. The boy has a computer for his schoolwork, but if you want to watch TV then you do it downstairs.

Do you lock them in the coal shed also, and if they don't eat their meat they don't get any pudding 😂😂

 

[FairwayDodger]

The UK is not insular or inward looking. We trade, have immigration, emigration and cooperation with the world. Leaving the EU is not sticking two fingers up at our continental neighbours. There is no evidence that the UK doesn't want to trade, cooperate, have emigration and immigration with the countries of Europe.

The problem is not the UK. The problem is the EU.

The EU does not allow free trade. It is very unlikely to allow an independent UK to trade freely with European countries. They will insist we pay a fee for the privilege of trading with other European countries... that's not us doing that They will restrict access to their union... that's not us doing that. Free movement of people is their ridiculous trading restriction... not ours. It is not the UK that is inward looking or insular, it is the EU.

Do you think the trade deal the EU is trying to make with the USA is going to include them adopting EU laws and the free movement of people?

The reason they can't give us the same deal as the USA is that it will be obvious that as a country you are better off not in the EU.

The reason European countries are EU members is because the EU makes it almost impossible not to be. The EU is not good for Europe or the rest of the world. It is just a hideous organisation that exists because it exists. It's existence relies on people believing it is necessary and it isn't. If it didn't exist we would simply deal with individual countries as we do with the rest of the world. It is authoritarian, it dictates social practice, it is intolerant of different practices and you can't leave with impunity. It is a fascist cartel.

All the argument is about whether the UK can survive as an independent nation. It is obvious it could if the EU didn't exist. The EU is the only thing that makes it difficult. They will make it difficult because their own meaningless existence depends on it. Do Germany want to sell us cars? Do you think they would like free trade with us? Do you think they would insist on free movement of people between our countries for this? I think all European countries would want to trade with us without any suggestion of sharing social policies or practices. The reason they can't is because the fascist cartel dictates that they can't.

The UK should leave and then state it will trade freely with EU countries. Any deal they offer that includes their social polices should be rejected. Then the countries of Europe might see that the EU does not work in their best interest. Insisting we allow free movement of people to trade with European countries is not in the best interest of the individual countries. We should take the huge risk to get rid of the EU.

The EU is not a socialist organisation. It has some very rich countries and some very poor countries. There is nothing socialist about that. The free movement of people simply allows rich countries to abuse the disadvantaged. The UK has millions of foreign people living on the poverty line in slums and ghettos of our cities. We are not helping these people, we are exploiting them. Taking fit and skilled people from eastern European countries isn't helping their countries, it's helping ours. These people aren't here because they wanted to leave their home land to live in slums and be racially abused. They are here because they have no choice. And we happily exploit their situation.

This has helped make the UK wealthy but thankfully it has to stop. Mass immigration has turned normally liberal but patriotic Brits into racists. Continuing this policy will result in political and civil unrest and eventually civil war. We must either become less wealthy or find another way to create wealth.

Interesting how people can have such diametrically opposite views. I'm actually chuckling and shaking my head while reading this. Although I accept you are sincere and entitled to your opinion.

 

[SocketRocket]

Interesting how people can have such diametrically opposite views. I'm actually chuckling and shaking my head while reading this. Although I accept you are sincere and entitled to your opinion.

It's not only his opinion though, many of us share it completely. Maybe you do need to question your views

 

[FairwayDodger]

It's not only his opinion though, many of us share it completely. Maybe you do need to question your views

And many share my take on things. Fed up with the circular arguments though so you crack on and believe whatever nonsense you like.

 

[Pro Zach]

Interesting how people can have such diametrically opposite views. I'm actually chuckling and shaking my head while reading this. Although I accept you are sincere and entitled to your opinion.

You have to be able to accept your own beliefs may be wrong to here others beliefs without chuckling and shaking your head. And most people can't.

 

[ger147]

And many share my take on things. Fed up with the circular arguments though so you crack on and believe whatever nonsense you like.

That's a good suggestion as it seems to have worked for you.

 

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:thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

And many share my take on things. Fed up with the circular arguments though so you crack on and believe whatever nonsense you like.

Break the circle then. I would never be so crass to suggest your opinion was nonsense though, only different. Vive le difference.

 

[Hobbit]

We have developed a "throwaway" culture. We dispose of perfectly workable goods, in a quest to stay relevant and significant. We display our wealth like a badge of honour, little caring that it is built on exploitation of the third world. This culture has been force fed to us by a political elite, financed by big business, all in the name of continuing growth. Any attempt to move away from that model will be met with significant resistance.

* All typed on an iPhone, whilst watching the cricket on Sky, on a large flat screen Sony TV!!!!

As part of my English Highers in 1976 I wrote a piece about big corporations and planned obsolescence. And that industry needs it to allow it to grow. I argued that you didn't have to grow, only to sustain a viable society. I got an 'F' and a roasting from the English teacher for being a communist.

Being a bit wiser, older really, I'd say that growth still isn't needed but new innovations are. It isn't an extra TV, it's a better TV.

 

[Foxholer]

You have to be able to accept your own beliefs may be wrong to here others beliefs without chuckling and shaking your head. And most people can't.

Have you looked in the mirror lately?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Break the circle then. I would never be so crass to suggest your opinion was nonsense though, only different. Vive le difference.

That's pretty tame compared to some of the insults you've dished out on this thread. It's an emotive subject, though, so I don't want to be too hard on you. Anyway, I'm done arguing for now. The vote didn't go the way I'd like but let's see what happens when we get a new pm.

 

[Foxholer]

As part of my English Highers in 1976 I wrote a piece about big corporations and planned obsolescence. And that industry needs it to allow it to grow. I argued that you didn't have to grow, only to sustain a viable society. I got an 'F' and a roasting from the English teacher for being a communist.

Being a bit wiser, older really, I'd say that growth still isn't needed but new innovations are. It isn't an extra TV, it's a better TV.

That's actually an example of the obscene way in which some supposed 'teachers' can actually be 'indoctrinaters'! Their role should be to teach HOW to think, not WHAT to think!

And, btw, I believe that growth is essential - because business is competitive! whether or not the growth of a particular company or sector is beneficial for society in general depends on how that growth is utilised!

 

[Pro Zach]

Have you looked in the mirror lately?

My own abilities, or lack of, are irrelevant to my statement.

 

[Old Skier]

I'll guess that the majority of 'immigrants' in these areas you mention are most likely to be second homers or the retired from the SE ... and will be wealthier than the locals.

North Devon has little in the way of immigrants, had a high turnout and went for the exit.

 

[Pro Zach]

That's actually an example of the obscene way in which some supposed 'teachers' can actually be 'indoctrinaters'! Their role should be to teach HOW to think, not WHAT to think!

A teacher wrote in my school report “John asks too many questions” 40 years later I still don't know whether to laugh or cry. I have often argued that rational thinking should be taught in schools but the faith schools are against it for some reason.

 

[Hobbit]

You have to be able to accept your own beliefs may be wrong to here others beliefs without chuckling and shaking your head. And most people can't.

But she's not wrong, and neither are you. It's about a choice of lifestyle. Some lifestyle choices come at a cost. It may well be that the lifestyle choice of being outside the EU costs more or less, financially and politically.

 

[Hobbit]

A teacher wrote in my school report “John asks too many questions” 40 years later I still don't know whether to laugh or cry. I have often argued that rational thinking should be taught in schools but the faith schools are against it for some reason.

Strangely enough, it was a faith school.