EU Referendum

FTSE 250 is better off now than it was in January, very strange after all the current gloom. I seem to remember someone on here, who I presume knew what they were talking about informed us that the markets are no true indicator of how well the country is doing.
 
Old Skier said:
FTSE 250 is better off now than it was in January, very strange after all the current gloom. I seem to remember someone on here, who I presume knew what they were talking about informed us that the markets are no true indicator of how well the country is doing.
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Lower Pound generally boosts UK Stock Indexes! Just check the graphs of both from Yesterday at around 4pm!

Stock markets, alone, are definitely not true indicator of country's health!
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
So you didn't read my post then

Did you see what Mark wrote - he said that people now turned their attentions to the ftse250 and I just pointed out that people had mentioned it and posted a previously posted link of someone mentioning it previously - I don't deflect any doom anywhere - I even said in my post that the markets are now stabilised - oh no what doom that is

Right now whenever someone posts a worry you are straight on to them dismissing their opinion - right now people are worried for their future and the future of their children - right now the positives for them are shouting out at them and they are rightly worried for the future of our nation and will say so - if you don't want to read that then just don't read the posts - ignore them. A thread was started asking the people who voted to leave what they would like to happen next and what they think will happen next - you burst into the thread again just dismissing anyone's fears ignoring what the OP was asking - you don't know what will happen next - you are not in any place to dismiss people's fears or worries

You and others need to stop throwing democracy into people's faces - as someone recently said democracy didn't start with this vote and didn't end with this vote - people have a democratic right to voice their fears and indeed fight to ensure the best for their future and if that means trying to keep us in the EU then they have that right to carry on fighting. It doesn't all just stop because of the vote - nothing is set in stone and everything is always up for discussion.
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Oh yes! I read your post, good bit of wriggling in that. Be in denial if you wish and carry on being a prophet of doom and despair but it's just as well that there are a few people with more positive views here that are able to give an alternate view. All good debates have people that challenge the views of others and it's healthy debate to do so. Challenge away if you wish but expect a challenge back. If you would rather not read my opinions and views theres always the 'Ignore' function available to you. :thup:
 
SocketRocket said:
Oh yes! I read your post, good bit of wriggling in that. Be in denial if you wish and carry on being a prophet of doom and despair but it's just as well that there are a few people with more positive views here that are able to give an alternate view. All good debates have people that challenge the views of others and it's healthy debate to do so. Challenge away if you wish but expect a challenge back. If you would rather not read my opinions and views theres always the 'Ignore' function available to you. :thup:
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I have no problems reading your opinions - at times they are considered and measures but right now you are just berating and throwing cheap jibes at people because of their opinions. That's not challenging them or debating with them - that's insulting them - there is a clear difference. The "for the people that voted remain thread" is a clear example of you just posting to berate people for their opinion hence why the OP wanted it closed because you took it away from what he wanted to see be discussed
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I have no problems reading your opinions - at times they are considered and measures but right now you are just berating and throwing cheap jibes at people because of their opinions. That's not challenging them or debating with them - that's insulting them - there is a clear difference. The "for the people that voted remain thread" is a clear example of you just posting to berate people for their opinion hence why the OP wanted it closed because you took it away from what he wanted to see be discussed
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OK, I will take some that but other than just berating and throwing cheap jibes, Iv'e been on the receiving end of many of them, I have put forward facts and figures and counter arguments which some people have replied to with insults and pettiness so it's anything but one sided.
 
SocketRocket said:
OK, I will take some that but other than just berating and throwing cheap jibes, Iv'e been on the receiving end of many of them, I have put forward facts and figures and counter arguments which some people have replied to with insults and pettiness so it's anything but one sided.
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Not often if ever I've defended you but I agree, you've countered with fact and fair play to you.

Still prone to the odd insult but.

Anyway, I think I'm going to be sick now ;)
 
Val said:
Not often if ever I've defended you but I agree, you've countered with fact and fair play to you.

Still prone to the odd insult but.

Anyway, I think I'm going to be sick now ;)
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Thanks Val. I don't believe we have had too may though, maybe the odd bit of jocularism some time back(excuse the pun) ;)
 
ADB said:
I accept that i live in a prosperous part of the country and have plenty of liberal/middle class friends - but never had i misjudged a mood of a nation more than with that vote.
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That's the curious thing about this. Where I live, in every direction I travel through "well to do/affluent" villages, big houses, couple of big expensive vehicles on the drive. Whilst posters & signs are not a direct correlation to votes, the leave were massively more than remain, I'd guess 70-30. As it is Dave's constituency we were commenting that although remain may win (as polls were saying) that it could be a tad embarrassing for him. As it happens remain did come through by a few points, maybe the larger population areas pulled it through.
Caught the end of Ch 4 where Kristy Allsopp seemed to be making some decent points about the London media bubble etc
 
My authority - Waverley - and Surrey as a whole voted very clearly to Remain, but then these are affluent areas with a relatively very small immigrant population.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
My authority - Waverley - and Surrey as a whole voted very clearly to Remain, but then these are affluent areas with a relatively very small immigrant population.
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Clearly the immigrant population has been a big feature of the whole piece, but could it be more complex - does the Ilse of Anglesey, North Devon, Ilse of Wight, Cornwall have big immigrant populations? I genuinely don't know. London does and went remain.
 
IainP said:
Clearly the immigrant population has been a big feature of the whole piece, but could it be more complex - does the Ilse of Anglesey, North Devon, Ilse of Wight, Cornwall have big immigrant populations? I genuinely don't know. London does and went remain.
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I dare say it was different things for different regions/areas. The northeast of England doesn't have a lot of immigration but its seen huge swathes of industry decimated. Obviously the Europe effect hasn't really helped them, and in some cases its just the opposite in terms of support for those industries. And large fishing ports, like Hull and Grimsby, seem to have voted because of how they feel the EU has interfered with their industry.
 
IainP said:
Clearly the immigrant population has been a big feature of the whole piece, but could it be more complex - does the Ilse of Anglesey, North Devon, Ilse of Wight, Cornwall have big immigrant populations? I genuinely don't know. London does and went remain.
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I'll guess that the majority of 'immigrants' in these areas you mention are most likely to be second homers or the retired from the SE ... and will be wealthier than the locals.
 
IainP said:
Clearly the immigrant population has been a big feature of the whole piece, but could it be more complex - does the Ilse of Anglesey, North Devon, Ilse of Wight, Cornwall have big immigrant populations? I genuinely don't know. London does and went remain.
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It's complicated. Many non European immigrants seemed to be suggesting that immigration is too high, I guess many European immigrants never had a vote although I believe Commonwealth ones did. The areas you mention tend to have quite a lot of eastern european immigrants working in the hotel and leisure sectors but have fairly low numbers of Asian and Caribbean/Africans. Maybe people in these areas are concerned that their traditional cultures will be threatened by high immigration. Before anyone suggests otherwise I am just trying to answer the question not put forward a case for the reasons.
 
IainP said:
Clearly the immigrant population has been a big feature of the whole piece, but could it be more complex - does the Ilse of Anglesey, North Devon, Ilse of Wight, Cornwall have big immigrant populations? I genuinely don't know. London does and went remain.
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It is a lot more complicated than that. The sats showed that in a lot of cases the remain vote tended to be higher where there was the higher levels of net migration. And the vote to leave was higher where you had lower levels of net migration. Leading to the conclusion that the fear of immigration was more of a factor than the reality in a lot of cases. But of course you can't say that it was a leave campaign based on fear.;)

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/eu-referendum-high-immigration-correlate-11519838
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...migration-fears-were-paradoxical-but-decisive
 
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