EU Referendum

[drdel]

The comments on this thread continue to approach the lowest common denominator of insults and circular content by the same culprits.

I suggest anyone who has posted more than 30 posts should be banned from posting for a 5 day cooling off period.

 

[SocketRocket]

Everyone is banging on about the 73% of young people voting remain, however they also fail to mention the 36% turnout. It's hardly the majority of young people who are being victimised like they make out. Being 21, I see the young moaners first hand, and they seem to me to be following the remain trend as it is "Cool" at the minute.

The 'Town and Country Monthly' reports 90% of Vegetarian Bikers against Fracking voted remain but they aren't making a fuss, there are 300 of them as well. In saying that I haven't looked on their facebook page.

 

[SocketRocket]

The comments on this thread continue to approach the lowest common denominator of insults and circular content by the same culprits.

I suggest anyone who has posted more than 30 posts should be banned from posting for a 5 day cooling off period.

Codpiece Face

 

[Hacker Khan]

Everyone is banging on about the 73% of young people voting remain, however they also fail to mention the 36% turnout. It's hardly the majority of young people who are being victimised like they make out. Being 21, I see the young moaners first hand, and they seem to me to be following the remain trend as it is "Cool" at the minute.

But is preventing many young people from having the opportunity to vote going to engage them further in the future? This is a political issue many young people are vaguely interested in. It is not a case of righting some wrong as some are feeling victimised, as what is done is done, But at least ask the questions if they should vote in the future to possibly get them more engaged in the political process.

And as for 36% being used as a low figure, the current government who is (allegedly) running the UK was voted in by 24.3% of all registered voters. And only 10.6% of registered voters in Scotland voted for them. Which makes 36% seem not too bad after all.

 

[JakeWS]

But is preventing many young people from having the opportunity to vote going to engage them further in the future? This is a political issue many young people are vaguely interested in. It is not a case of righting some wrong as some are feeling victimised, as what is done is done, But at least ask the questions if they should vote in the future to possibly get them more engaged in the political process.

And as for 36% being used as a low figure, the current government who is (allegedly) running the UK was voted in by 24.3% of all registered voters. And only 10.6% of registered voters in Scotland voted for them. Which makes 36% seem not too bad after all.

But how many 16-18 year olds do you think actually want to vote? If they aren't voting at 18-25 they wont be voting at 16-18 either.

24.3% of registered voters, but 36% of the actual turnout, so a similar number, as I don't think the people who choose to not turn up on voting day should be allowed to complain that the party in charge is not one they like. And I can't really think of a better way to elect a Government, however I am by no means an expert.

 

[Hacker Khan]

https://youtu.be/-a6HNXtdvVQ

Usual T&C, rude words in mickey take of the leave campaign and Boris. This ones the old Hitlers Bunker one you may have seen before in several different guises.

 

[Hacker Khan]

But how many 16-18 year olds do you think actually want to vote? If they aren't voting at 18-25 they wont be voting at 16-18 either.

24.3% of registered voters, but 36% of the actual turnout, so a similar number, as I don't think the people who choose to not turn up on voting day should be allowed to complain that the party in charge is not one they like. And I can't really think of a better way to elect a Government, however I am by no means an expert.

We may be at cross purposes here. My point is that we should at least ask the question if 16 year old should be given the vote as a way of getting them involved in the democratic process. If they chose not to engage then fair enough, their loss, but at least give them the chance.

 

[JakeWS]

We may be at cross purposes here. My point is that we should at least ask the question if 16 year old should be given the vote as a way of getting them involved in the democratic process. If they chose not to engage then fair enough, their loss, but at least give them the chance.

Fair enough, but I believe they should be made to prove they have a basic understanding of what they are voting for. But then actually I believe everyone who votes should have to prove a basic understanding.

 

[Crazyface]

And the reason why 16 years olds who have a massive stake in the future of the country shouldn't be allowed to vote is...........

And fair warning, if you stereotype them all as feckless hoodie wearing slackers I will stereotype all people over 65 as racist right wing UKIPers.

I honestly think that the majority of them are not mature enough or have the experience to fully understand what they would be voting for. Hells teeth some adults aren't either.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I honestly think that the majority of them are not mature enough or have the experience to fully understand what they would be voting for. Hells teeth some adults aren't either.

As I would argue the recent referendum proved. But other opinions are available.

 

[MarkE]

And as for 36% being used as a low figure, the current government who is (allegedly) running the UK was voted in by 24.3% of all registered voters. And only 10.6% of registered voters in Scotland voted for them. Which makes 36% seem not too bad after all.

Which all goes to show that the 51.9% (of a relatively large turnout) voting to leave was absolutely massive.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I honestly think that the majority of them are not mature enough or have the experience to fully understand what they would be voting for. Hells teeth some adults aren't either.

So why do 18+ get the automatic right to vote but not 16-17?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Which all goes to show that the 51.9% (of a relatively large turnout) voting to leave was absolutely massive.

I disagree. It is a majority by just under 2%, that isn't "massive". I'm not going to argue it's a majority, but it's certainly not large.

 

[vkurup]

I am tired of the stuff that is mud slinging from both end. Leave did not get the economic consequence (or puts a brave face on it). Remain is sore but cant do anything about. The last few days we have been trying to see options and impacts for us and clients and how we keep jobs going etc. The reality is that it will lead to uncertainty which no one likes. You will see plans being put on hold (Siemens in Hull), jobs moving (HSBC) and others. Cameron played a great hand by not invoking Article 50. Whoever gets the crown will either be responsible for either breaking up the country and more economic misery or risk alienating the 50% who voted Leave. No wonder Boris was a deflated D-bag in his victory speech.

Anyways, a week on from the vote, the emerging view of the potential scenario (IMO) is that
1) UK will exit but will want to get access to free markets. The WTO option is not what the UK wants as it will not help the country
2) EU will like to make an example of it but cant afford UK to leave. So in exchange of free access to markets will ask for free movement of labour
3) The compromise position will be that UK gets access to EU market and EU will get free labour movement for existing or original EU countries.

So Brexiters can claim victory that stopped the Turkey influx (which was unlikely) and got access to markets. However, in reality not much changes on the immigration front, we still have to abide by EU regulations as we need to trade with them. It will reduce our contribution to the EU fund from £350m(??) per week BUT we lose all our opportunities to veto or control anything within the EU like we can do today.

Before everyone throws knives at me, I am not saying this is an official position but looks like the most likely scenario and it WILL be painful to get there. My friend knows this week if she has a job - she voted leave and works for a small family owned importing firm and they cant afford the drop in GBP. But as one of the Brexiter told me, I asked her grow a couple and move on, the mortgage will sort itself.

 

[MarkE]

I disagree. It is a majority by just under 2%, that isn't "massive". I'm not going to argue it's a majority, but it's certainly not large.

I was just comparing the figure against what is usually required to win a general election. Oh and just to be pedantic it was a 3.8% victory, not under 2%.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I was just comparing the figure against what is usually required to win a general election. Oh and just to be pedantic it was a 3.8% victory, not under 2%.

But you can't compare it to a general election, it's completely different. This is just a case of getting over half of the votes.

And while I agree with you about the 3.8%, you can also say it's only 1.9% over 50%, depending on how you look at it.

 

[MarkE]

I see Spain are the first to register their disquiet over the eu talking to Sturgeon, over fears of encouraging similar breakaway negotiations from other countries, like their own Catalan region. It's a total non starter for Scotland.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I see Spain are the first to register their disquiet over the eu talking to Sturgeon, over fears of encouraging similar breakaway negotiations from other countries, like their own Catalan region. It's a total non starter for Scotland.

It might not fly but it's certainly not a non-starter or the meetings wouldn't be taking place. I have no doubt that in a few years Scotland will be in the Eu whether England is or not.

 

[Region3]

I am tired of the stuff that is mud slinging from both end.


Whoever gets the crown will either be responsible for either breaking up the country and more economic misery or risk alienating the 50% who voted Leave.


we lose all our opportunities to veto or control anything within the EU like we can do today.

I must admit I don't watch the news all the time, but from what I've seen of it and on here, all the mud slinging is one way traffic (unless you mean the racist incidents which are totally unacceptable).


If a leave result was guaranteed to break up the country up and more importantly lead to economic misery, they wouldn't have won. People are stupid, but the general public 'en masse' isn't.


We won't need to veto anything the EU does because they won't have any power to impose their beurocratic nonsense on us.





Yes, it might turn out to be a terrible decision to leave, but it also might be the making of us. I'm excited rather than terrified of what the future holds.

 

[MegaSteve]

So why do 18+ get the automatic right to vote but not 16-17?

Voting for 18 year olds, in the scheme of things, is relatively new...

I remember attending the debate [as part of my history course] and Jeremy Thorpe spoke so well in favour I almost turned into a Liberal...

If my memory, of said course, serves me well...
Up until the end of WW1 you needed to be a landowner to vote...
And, if you owned two homes you got to vote twice...