EU Referendum

[Hobbit]

Really, that sounds like a pretty poor excuse for not being competitive.

Well, that's your interpretation. Typically, Poles are subcontracting to Poles. They are also pricing jobs at less than the minimum wage or at a price that our skilled people won't work for, and that's been alluded to by many commentators, i.e. driving wages down. Think Jeremy Corbyn has said staying in will drive wages up - some chance.

Apologies if you saw my original reply as rude - it was missing the smiley that would have shown I was joking. Bit touchy?

 

[Old Skier]

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well, that's your interpretation. Typically, Poles are subcontracting to Poles. They are also pricing jobs at less than the minimum wage or at a price that our skilled people won't work for, and that's been alluded to by many commentators, i.e. driving wages down. Think Jeremy Corbyn has said staying in will drive wages up - some chance.

Apologies if you saw my original reply as rude - it was missing the smiley that would have shown I was joking. Bit touchy?

Thank you for your reply and apology.
I am not touchy at all, in fact 25 years of working for Local Authorities had made me pretty thick skinned.
I do recognise rudeness when I see it though.
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[Hobbit]

Thank you for your reply and apology.
I am not touchy at all, in fact 25 years of working for Local Authorities had made me pretty thick skinned.
I do recognise rudeness when I see it though.
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Well it wasn't meant to be rude. If you want to take it differently, that's your choice. That said, I genuinely thought you were being deliberately obtuse.

Maybe we were both at fault.

 

[Hobbit]

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You're not kidding! Some people, tsch...

 

[bluewolf]

Ok, genuine question. As per my previous posts, is anyone able to tell me how we maintain growth in an economy with a shrinking population? I am genuinely interested in hearing people's thoughts on the matter.

 

[SocketRocket]

I sent my postal vote to Leave last week and I am certain it was the correct decision for me. I am now a little tired with the debate and after the things that have shocked us this week I will wait to see the result and not comment further until we hear the result.

 

[MarkE]

:rofl:

The exclamation marks were for your benefit, as you seem unable to string a sentence together without using one.:thup:

 

[bluewolf]

I sent my postal vote to Leave last week and I am certain it was the correct decision for me. I am now a little tired with the debate and after the things that have shocked us this week I will wait to see the result and not comment further until we hear the result.

Sorry to hear you won't comment further. Especially as we haven't really finished the discussion regarding economic growth and population shrinkage. I was hoping for your thoughts on the matter.

 

[MegaSteve]

Well, that's your interpretation. Typically, Poles are subcontracting to Poles. They are also pricing jobs at less than the minimum wage or at a price that our skilled people won't work for, and that's been alluded to by many commentators, i.e. driving wages down. Think Jeremy Corbyn has said staying in will drive wages up - some chance.

My East European builder will not take on 'sub' work unless they are paying full rate...

"Pointless coming here and not being able afford to live here"...

And, from personal experience and gossip the East Europeans are every bit as bad as 'locals' when it comes to dicking you around once on site...

 

[Old Skier]

Sir Winston Churchill


We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.


Good choice of words, I am now going to have a Scottish whiskey and watch the footie and hope Switzerland do their stuff.

 

[SocketRocket]

Sorry to hear you won't comment further. Especially as we haven't really finished the discussion regarding economic growth and population shrinkage. I was hoping for your thoughts on the matter.

If you want to open a discussion on that alone then I would be happy to continue discussing away from the Referendum issue. I would also discuss by PM if you want.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sir Winston Churchill


We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.


Good choice of words, I am now going to have a Scottish whiskey and watch the footie and hope Switzerland do their stuff.

Did you miss that great win for Europe's Andy Murray at Queens.:lol:

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Is the desire for constant economic growth healthy? That constant striving at all costs causes an awful lot of problems.

 

[bluewolf]

Is the desire for constant economic growth healthy? That constant striving at all costs causes an awful lot of problems.

Well, with our current economic model, if we don't grow, we fail. Obviously, you can't have eternal growth with finite resource, but as of yet, no one has worked out how to grow an economy with any of the major inputs shrinking.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Is the desire for constant economic growth healthy? That constant striving at all costs causes an awful lot of problems.

Sustainable economic growth maybe? If the economy isn't growing then living standards will decline.

 

[Old Skier]

Did you miss that great win for Europe's Andy Murray at Queens.:lol:

Good win once he got going but I seemed to remember him being claimed for Scotland

 

[MegaSteve]

With our economic growth seemingly based on London property prices I reckon we are in for a fall anytime soon...

We need to get back to making 'stuff' for any 'real' future...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

With our economic growth seemingly based on London property prices I reckon we are in for a fall anytime soon...

We need to get back to making 'stuff' for any 'real' future...

In the globalised economy I doubt we'll ever be able to compete making 'commodities' - our labour cost is just too high. We have to continue manufacturing high quality advanced stuff requiring a highly skilled workforce - as we currently do. Leavers seem to hearken back to 'halcyon' days when we had an Empire and a still largely 'dependent' Commonwealth of the 50s and 60s - and so had a ready market for our goods that we controlled 100% along with a largely closed UK market. Both of which no longer exist and never will return.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so I hear Gove and Bojo now both proclaiming that they are pro immigration. Too late lads - you've opened Pandora's box. I suspect that many Leavers will be listening and thinking to themselves 'they don't mean what they say - they are only saying it because of the murder of the MP'

And so it will come to pass that in the event of a Brexit and nothing changes over immigration - as nothing will - I fear that we will have major social cohesion issues with the existing migrate population being blamed and pick upon. After all over the last weeks Leavers have been fed a diet of immigration being the cause of many of the issues and pressures that we face in the country today. And that - like much of what Leave say - is just not true.

I have to admit to being rather fearful of the consequences of a Brexit as my feeling is that they know not what they do.