EU Referendum

[palindromicbob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGC5S3ag1q0

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[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Either you don't get it or as I suspect you don't want to. IMO we don't need the numbers we currently attract, we seemed to manage for a very long time on around 50,000 PA before Blair and Brown went on an immigration fest. It probably makes sense not to count students in the numbers though as long as they don't slip through the net and stay illegally afterwards. I dont fall for this story of needing mass immigration to pay for old folks retirements or that they all go home when they are older.

Why do you think I don't 'get it'? You and I absolutely get it, but many don't.

So for instance does your figure of 50,000 PA include non-EU immigration?

If it does then the Leave campaign needs to fess up to the existing non-EU immigrant community that leaving is not going to result in the increase in non-EU immigration that many expect - and indeed that non-EU immigration will be cut significantly.

 

[Hacker Khan]

That editorial is below contempt and desperate. I am surprised at you posting it to be honest.

Really? You're surprised a yoghurt knitting yurt dwelling liberal lefty like myself would post an editorial from The Guardian? I'd of thought it is the most depressingly predictable thing I could do.

As for the rest, what Hobbit said, he was spot on.

 

[MegaSteve]

With an economy only based on 'intangibles' I feel a recession is only ever one small hiccup away...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Warning, warning, more contemptible left wing 'stay in' propaganda. Please do not enlarge the image if you are easily offended.

Ahaaaa

 

[Hacker Khan]

Mmm, I wonder what The Express editorial will say about how to vote on Thursday....

 

[palindromicbob]

Mmm, I wonder what The Express editorial will say about how to vote on Thursday....

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STAY

 

[SocketRocket]

Why is it wrong to post up an editorial? Quite frankly I want to see comment on all the antagonists. If it isn't reported how do we know not only all sides of the argument but also the quality of the reporting?

Personally, I'd ask the question why are you looking to censor someone's opinion? Criticise it, yes. But to question it being posted up, no.

It may have been OK for me if he used the editorial link to support some kind of view or belief he had stated but he just simply posted the link with no comment. I found the Editorial in poor taste as it referred to the death of Joe Cox a number of times and seemed to link it with Nigel Farage who the writer seemed to be almost paranoid about in her vitriolic outpouring of insults. As HK had made no comment I can only think he supported the article which for me was in very bad taste.

Thats the reason for my post which you are of course at will to disagree with but at least I have explained my view.

 

[SocketRocket]

Really? You're surprised a yoghurt knitting yurt dwelling liberal lefty like myself would post an editorial from The Guardian? I'd of thought it is the most depressingly predictable thing I could do.

As for the rest, what Hobbit said, he was spot on.

I have explained why I found it contemptible and in poor taste.

 

[SocketRocket]

Warning, warning, more contemptible left wing 'stay in' propaganda. Please do not enlarge the image if you are easily offended.

Ahaaaa

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Grow up!

 

[Hobbit]

It may have been OK for me if he used the editorial link to support some kind of view or belief he had stated but he just simply posted the link with no comment. I found the Editorial in poor taste as it referred to the death of Joe Cox a number of times and seemed to link it with Nigel Farage who the writer seemed to be almost paranoid about in her vitriolic outpouring of insults. As HK had made no comment I can only think he supported the article which for me was in very bad taste.

Thats the reason for my post which you are of course at will to disagree with but at least I have explained my view.

Eventually.

You are just as guilty as HK in posting something which, in your own explanation above, you failed to qualify in your original response. You can't have it both ways...

 

[Hacker Khan]

Grow up!

I did give you fair warning. Monkey tennis?

 

[Hacker Khan]

It may have been OK for me if he used the editorial link to support some kind of view or belief he had stated but he just simply posted the link with no comment. I found the Editorial in poor taste as it referred to the death of Joe Cox a number of times and seemed to link it with Nigel Farage who the writer seemed to be almost paranoid about in her vitriolic outpouring of insults. As HK had made no comment I can only think he supported the article which for me was in very bad taste.

Thats the reason for my post which you are of course at will to disagree with but at least I have explained my view.

Still not sure why I was not supposed to post it? Unless we have reached the stage where a Guardian editorial is viewed as offensive and likely to corrupt and we should not link to such a paper???

If so, then whatever upsets people is all relative. I could have reworded it and passed it off as my own original thoughts like most people do on forums. But I thought I'd let the journalist speak for themselves, and I am sure most people could have worked out I agreed with it as I linked to it. That's usually how linking to articles work.

 

[Hacker Khan]

To even matters up, as I posted an editorial from a lefty rag here's one from a righty rag, The Times, who are backing the remain option. My name's Hacker Khan and I endorse this ad.

 

[SocketRocket]

Eventually.

You are just as guilty as HK in posting something which, in your own explanation above, you failed to qualify in your original response. You can't have it both ways...

Fair Comment.

 

[Foxholer]

Why is it wrong to post up an editorial? Quite frankly I want to see comment on all the antagonists. If it isn't reported how do we know not only all sides of the argument but also the quality of the reporting?

Personally, I'd ask the question why are you looking to censor someone's opinion? Criticise it, yes. But to question it being posted up, no.

Totally agree!

There is nothing in that editorial that is inappropriate, for an editorial, imo!

Btw. Farage's experience of Mandela's release were identical to mine, though I can't say the same about his comment on smoking (it was a pretty good reply though )!

 

[Hobbit]

I wonder how many voters have changed their mind in the last few months? I've gone from Out to on the fence with me edging towards in.

Immigration isn't a major factor for me apart from having the infrastructure to support it. The Beeb did a great piece several weeks ago about how being out, but part of the trading bloc would mean nothing would change at all in terms of immigration.

I have two big gripes with the EU. France and its skewed contributions, and skewed access to goods from outside the EU. Some are ridiculously cheap, for example steel, which has severely damaged the UK. Whilst others have ridiculously high tariffs that hurt consumers.

I feel that the laws, in or out, will be pretty much the same. If they're not, we won't be allowed to trade - the same already applies to exports to the US.

 

[MarkE]

Immigration isn't a major factor for me apart from having the infrastructure to support it.

There's the rub. Immigration dos'nt affect large swathes of the country so people in that situation are ambivalent towards it. Whereas it's a major issue and it's having a major detrimental effect on life where immigration is centered.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There's the rub. Immigration dos'nt affect large swathes of the country so people in that situation are ambivalent towards it. Whereas it's a major issue and it's having a major detrimental effect on life where immigration is centered.

Too true, I get fed up with the Britains Full, concrete jungle brigade.
Distribution to the UK's population, wealth and access is the problem.
Successive governments have done diddly squat about it.

 

[Foxholer]

There's the rub. Immigration dos'nt affect large swathes of the country so people in that situation are ambivalent towards it. Whereas it's a major issue and it's having a major detrimental effect on life where immigration is centered.

You missed this rather important bit out of your quote!

The Beeb did a great piece several weeks ago about how being out, but part of the trading bloc would mean nothing would change at all in terms of immigration.

So your actual point bears little or no relationship to the quote!