Old Skier
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Be a brave person who does an Irish on it whatever the out come.
There is the possibility of further referendums if we stay in and the EU try further constitutional changes.
EU Referendum
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Be a brave person who does an Irish on it whatever the out come.
There is the possibility of further referendums if we stay in and the EU try further constitutional changes.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Or someone monumentally arrogant or stupid; would that description fit anyone currently in Government…..?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
No I'm afraid he is serious. The have been some good logical arguments to leave which reassures you that they are not all xenophobic little englanders. Then there are his posts....
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Once again you choose to ignore the fact that Corbyn was also saying it .
I have not seen one report from one economist openly stating what the EU will look like in the future so I was asking you. There is more to the EU than the economy.
Come on, give us an insight, you knock the leave because they don't know, what are things going to be like in the future within the EU.
At last on the old TV we have had an honest answere from a person voting remain; "I think I will be better off". (Ps, I have no problem with that as a response).
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Or Parliament
drdel
Tour Rookie
I'm an econometrician of 30yrs and I wouldn't trust the 'big hand, small map' models/predictions that have been bandied about. The EU is an experimental political architecture for those countries who wish to be organised by a paid, not elected, executive of 'experts'.
It is hugely expensive and it getting ever more costly: taking money from the relatively rich north and west countries to the poorer south an eastern nations in probably the most inefficient way possible. This executive has had pay rises at levels only dreamt about by those outside, they have consistently broken their own budgets and rules.
At the moment to ECB is printing money at a phenomenal rate and giving it to the Banks of southern states, if the IMF gets cold feet he 'rich' nations will have to step in (UK included).
If you're happy that the benefits are worth these ever increasing costs stick with it. Its my view that many other member states are very worried over their national debt and, if they could, would dump the Euro but, as they don't have the economic base the UK enjoys they are stuffed.
I'm alright Jack I've earned many Euros from Brussels thanks so whatever the vote it wont impact me but I'm betting your kids will suffer if UK continues subsidising the Executive and other nations as it has done.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Honestly - I don't know. But I don;t have to know as there are many experts with a great deal of experience whose job it is to forecast the state of things to come; experts that companies big and small take advice from when planning their investment, I trust the opinion of these experts. After all - if we cannot trust what these experts say how is anyone going to make any investment planning in the future. And I might as well extend the list a little further and add the Chief Executive of the London Stock Exchange - who of course has already had his opinion and forecasts rubbished.
And we may as well of course scrap the House of Lords as the whole point of a second chamber is for it to have 'expert' members to consider legislation in light of their experience and knowledge, which it seems counts for nothing as far as Leave are concerned.
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Foxholer
Blackballed
How about......Pretty similar to now - but with a few improvements - as negotiated by 'Our Dave'!
Btw. If Economists are unwilling - or perhaps don't see the need because it's pretty bleeding obvious (??) - then what's the point asking someone on the forum to predict the future?!
Old Skier
Tour Winner
a. Because his biggest comeback is that remain cannot say what will happen the future.
and
b. It's raining and don't fancy the golf course today.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Been on the booze again? I think you mean 'Brexit'!
The simple answer, of course, is that no-one can say for certain what will happen in the future, but it's certainly more predictable if UK Remains - as it will be much like now, but with some improvement!
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Worth a look from a professor in EU constitutional law. However I will warn you that if you favour staying you will think it is a very fair and sober view of the choices and what may happen if we vote to leave. If you want to leave you will think he is a lefty communist who is throwing out scare stories.
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Old Skier
Tour Winner
Just fat fingers on a small phone.
Foxholer
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:rofl:
You can't blame fat fingers on a small phone for typing 'remain' as opposed to 'brexit'!
Found out something today that has changed my mind completely....
Old Skier
Tour Winner
I can. Obviously not the best excuse but I have two televisions cheering on our British footballers. And it's the only one I have at the moment.
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
We have received a suggestion that this thread is locked whilst the polling stations are open , so 7am -10pm Thursday.
Going to throw this out for comments for and against
My own feeling is that on the day, this thread is unlikely to influence anybody one way or the other
Going to throw this out for comments for and against
My own feeling is that on the day, this thread is unlikely to influence anybody one way or the other
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Close it now!
Nobody is in danger of altering their position based on the quality of this debate.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Why on earth close it? I kind of think we are taking ourselves a little bit too seriously and showing ourselves a bit too much side if we think we have any influence like the media outlets do who have a news blackout on the day. It's only a bunch of sad old golfers yakking on the internet making the same old points over and over and over and over and over again.
As you say, if you are not sure by that stage and need the help of this forum then god help you. And I suspect no one has been really influenced in the previous 3037 posts, so another few ain't going to make any difference.
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Close it!
Its pretty obvious everyone is dithering over their choices...
Its pretty obvious everyone is dithering over their choices...
Crazyface
Tour Winner
No,Cameron may say we can send them home but we won't be able to. As for the pulled our socks up thing. Just what were other countires doing whislt we had the industrial revolution? You saying we had all the clever people and all the workers?
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