EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

We do not send £350 million to the EU each week. That is a lie. Dress it up however you want but it's simply not true. If Leave were saying "if we lost our rebate we would be sending £350 million to the EU each week" then that would be fair enough but that isn't what they are saying.

You are correct in one sense in that the rebate is not set in any of the EU treaties but is discussed as part of the "Multiannual Financial Framework" every 7 years which has to be unanimously agreed by all 28 EU members. This means that they can't change it unless whoever the UK Prime Minister agrees to it being changed. We have a veto to stop any changes in this area. Do you think that there is any UK politician that would be willing to torpedo their own career and the hopes of their party by agreeing to give up the rebate?

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Tony Blair gave up a lump of it. I would not be surprised of anything Cameron would do, he is a slippery eel, he says Turkey wont get into the EU but stands in front of them saying he will be their biggest Advocate to get in the EU and agrees to give them a Billion pounds of our money to help them.

Just listen to what he used to say:

[video=youtube;m6JsrxXhCEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JsrxXhCEc[/video]

 

[SocketRocket]

More on what he said:

[video=youtube;-ZkdSNGFzhM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZkdSNGFzhM[/video]

 

[SocketRocket]

And More again:
[video=youtube;JLTTjWLyBhY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLTTjWLyBhY[/video]

 

[Tashyboy]

Straight forward question for you then that simply requires a yes or no answer.........

Does the UK send £350 million per week to the EU?

No it does not, and here is another question,

Does the UK have CONTROL over £350 million per week going to the EU less rebate .
And the answer to that one is also No.

 

[ColchesterFC]

No it does not, and here is another question,

Does the UK have CONTROL over £350 million per week going to the EU less rebate .
And the answer to that one is also No.

Correct. If you take off the rebate it equates to around £270 million per week that is being given to the EU. Some of that comes back to us in the form of EU spending on the UK but you are correct that we don't have control of that spending.

 

[MarkE]

Straight forward question for you then that simply requires a yes or no answer.........

Does the UK send £350 million per week to the EU?

Not as simple as a yes or no answer, but if it makes you feel better and as I can't be bothered to argue the toss with nett/gross figures we'll say you are correct, it's all semantics.
So we send £270m which we have no control over and receive a rebate with no guarantees. If that is the main crux of the Leave argument that upsets the Remainers, i'll take it. That's pretty good going when compared to the tosh spouted by the Remain lobby daily.

 

[Tashyboy]

Correct. If you take off the rebate it equates to around £270 million per week that is being given to the EU. Some of that comes back to us in the form of EU spending on the UK but you are correct that we don't have control of that spending.

colchester FC I am sorry but your plain simple understandable logic has no place on this blog

 

[SocketRocket]

I had a cynical thought today about the timing of the Referendum. It seems to coincide with the latest deadline for Greece to meet it's next debt repayment so that more support can be given them. I have a gut feeling that Greece will not meet this payment but will go though the normal 'The cheques in the post' routine for a few weeks. After this there will be a call to sink another mega bunch of spondulas their way to stop the domino effect on the other failing basket case Euro countries. I think the Germans will refuse to fund any more and the IMF will walk away from it. This would be the time all reassurances that the UK are exempt from contributing will be torn up and if we stay we will be hung up to dry and told that we had the chance to get out.

Just a hunch but will be interested to se how it unfolds.

 

[SocketRocket]

Bit of good news in a the polls today (Doon take note)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bit of good news in a the polls today (Doon take note)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html

So, polls only count when they are in your favour

 

[SocketRocket]

So, polls only count when they are in your favour

Well I never said they don't count but it is good news when they are in your favour as you never fail to enlighten us on when it suits :thup:

 

[ColchesterFC]

Well I never said they don't count but it is good news when they are in your favour as you never fail to enlighten us on when it suits :thup:

Yes, but it is only 55/45 in your favour and if history tells us anything it is that in a referendum that margin isn't enough to stop the losing side whining and moaning and demanding another vote.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes, but it is only 55/45 in your favour and if history tells us anything it is that in a referendum that margin isn't enough to stop the losing side whining and moaning and demanding another vote.

Harsh but fair.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But we don't pay £350 million per week and we are certainly not sending "over £350 million to the EU every week" which is the claim in the latest Leave leaflet. The rebate is deducted before we make any payment so we are sending approx £270 million to the EU every week. Therefore the claim in the leaflet is a lie. Doesn't matter about gross or nett it's factually incorrect.

And today the Daily Mail is saying Leave should drop their use of the £350m figure as being misleading. So to all those who have been defending their use of it? Or is the Daily Mail wrong?

The Leave campaign have had 41 yrs to come up with a consistent and coherent set of objectives, a strategy and a plan for such as the economy; and what do we have - a set of individuals with different agendas, objectives and pretty much nothing else. To paraphrase Amber Rudd (I could never have imagined nodding in agreement with her as much as I did in the recent ITV debate) this just isn't good enough.

 

[Hacker Khan]

And today the Daily Mail is saying Leave should drop their use of the £350m figure as being misleading. So to all those who have been defending their use of it? Or is the Daily Mail wrong?

The Leave campaign have had 41 yrs to come up with a consistent and coherent set of objectives, a strategy and a plan for such as the economy; and what do we have - a set of individuals with different agendas, objectives and pretty much nothing else. To paraphrase Amber Rudd (I could never have imagined nodding in agreement with her as much as I did in the recent ITV debate) this just isn't good enough.

From experience, more than likely yes. On any subject.

 

[Tashyboy]

From experience, more than likely yes. On any subject.

They are good for the footie results though 😁

 

[Hobbit]

And today the Daily Mail is saying Leave should drop their use of the £350m figure as being misleading. So to all those who have been defending their use of it? Or is the Daily Mail wrong?

The Leave campaign have had 41 yrs to come up with a consistent and coherent set of objectives, a strategy and a plan for such as the economy; and what do we have - a set of individuals with different agendas, objectives and pretty much nothing else. To paraphrase Amber Rudd (I could never have imagined nodding in agreement with her as much as I did in the recent ITV debate) this just isn't good enough.

To be fair, both sides have been well and truly slated by a cross party committee for being disingenuous.

 

[ColchesterFC]

From experience, more than likely yes. On any subject.

They are good for the footie results though 😁

Last week they got the date correct every day at the top of the front page.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

From experience, more than likely yes. On any subject.

So even the Brexit supporting Daily Mail is wrong on this.

Oh well. I suppose we just add the DM - along with the group of 13 Nobel prize winning scientists (what do they know about anything)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36505736

to the Leave list of those who 'are misguided, misinformed or plain scaremongerers'.

Meanwhile Leave congratulate themselves on their tactic for the ITV Debate - 'just tell Bojo to keep his mouth shut and stop waving his arms about - he'll look a little bit more statesmanlike so maybe we'll manage to fool a few gullibles into thinking that he's a serious politician'

That'll do it. We've got a plan.

 

[TheDiablo]

I had a cynical thought today about the timing of the Referendum. It seems to coincide with the latest deadline for Greece to meet it's next debt repayment so that more support can be given them. I have a gut feeling that Greece will not meet this payment but will go though the normal 'The cheques in the post' routine for a few weeks. After this there will be a call to sink another mega bunch of spondulas their way to stop the domino effect on the other failing basket case Euro countries. I think the Germans will refuse to fund any more and the IMF will walk away from it. This would be the time all reassurances that the UK are exempt from contributing will be torn up and if we stay we will be hung up to dry and told that we had the chance to get out.

Just a hunch but will be interested to se how it unfolds.

Good grief that's different level speculation! I don't think I've read something more farfetched since Harry Potter.

Even if this did happen, you know very well that we'll be in the EU for more than 2 years if we vote to leave, so under your financial doomsday scenario would still be screwed.

I've read a lot of the thread and while I don't agree with your views think that a lot of your posts and opinions are debated in a credible manner. Unfortunately this undoes all of that and more!!

They can't simply tear up that agreement.