EU Referendum

[ColchesterFC]

Does it matter if someone is over qualified for a job? I've got a degree and in the past I have worked in bars and restaurants, in call centres and as a delivery driver. I did those jobs because I had bills to pay and even on minimum wage I was still far better off than on JSA. Instead of going into the interview and giving the impression you are only there until something better comes up go in there and tell them you want the job because you don't want to be on JSA. But if SILH's graduate son feels that these jobs are beneath him then I guess we need all these degree educated eastern European migrants coming into the country to do the jobs that the Brits are not prepared to do.

Having looked on Google for the Tesco/Job Centre link up the most recent stories I could find were from 2012 when it seemed that Tesco were offering 4 week job placements that were on a "JSA + expenses" basis through a government approved scheme. This scheme was then changed to a 4 week paid placement with a job offer at the end of it if the applicant successfully completed the placement. I am unable to find any more recent stories that suggest this is no longer the case or that they have gone back to the old scheme.

 

[SocketRocket]

If I was interviewing someone for a job and it was clear for whatever reason that he was only going to be there until something better came along I wouldn't employ him.

Sounds like SILH's graduate son might be a bit overqualified for many of those job centre roles.

I'm fairly outraged that we're giving free labour to a corporation like tescos. Surely if they need people they should be paying them?

People who are out of work for a period are asked to do work experience, it's not always stacking shelves in Tescos. These job experience schemes often allow people to show that they have some potential and often lead to a job offer. I remember taking on a young man who came to us on a YTS scheme as I saw potential in him I sent him to college where he obtained an HNC in Engineering and became our leading CadCam Software support Engineers. If you really have a fire in your belly to get on then you will do it, it's futile to blame the Government.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So Corbyn going against his principals as he sees a political chance for himself is being clever but Boris Johnson going against his principals as he sees a political chance for himself makes him the devil?

Johnson will come out of this as damaged goods, a liar and unelectable, Corbyn will be the fresh guy.
It is the oldest trick in politics.

Leavers are getting slaughtered on QT tonight, even though they are 3-2 [and one of those against is Eddie Izzard]:lol:

 

[SocketRocket]

Johnson will come out of this as damaged goods, a liar and unelectable, Corbyn will be the fresh guy.
It is the oldest trick in politics.

Leavers are getting slaughtered on QT tonight, even though they are 3-2 [and one of those against is Eddie Izzard]:lol:

You must be watching a different QT than me. Izzard is acting like a demented idiot, Benn is intellectually challenged as the spectre of his eurosceptic Father leaves him in his shadow. The Leavers seem to have the audience behind them in numbers.

 

[SocketRocket]

Johnson will come out of this as damaged goods, a liar and unelectable, Corbyn will be the fresh guy.
It is the oldest trick in politics.

Leavers are getting slaughtered on QT tonight, even though they are 3-2 [and one of those against is Eddie Izzard]:lol:

As history will prove. Doon will be wrong and wont even know it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Johnson will come out of this as damaged goods, a liar and unelectable, Corbyn will be the fresh guy.
It is the oldest trick in politics.

Are you suggesting that Corbyn is electable? I'm not sure even the Labour party believe that.

 

[chrisd]

You must be watching a different QT than me. Izzard is acting like a demented idiot, Benn is intellectually challenged as the spectre of his eurosceptic Father leaves him in his shadow. The Leavers seem to have the audience behind them in numbers.

I don't think Benn will ever recover from the mauling that Andrew Neil gave him mid week

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't think Benn will ever recover from the mauling that Andrew Neil gave him mid week

That goes for Osborne as well.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You must be watching a different QT than me. Izzard is acting like a demented idiot, Benn is intellectually challenged as the spectre of his eurosceptic Father leaves him in his shadow. The Leavers seem to have the audience behind them in numbers.

Yes.......one or two:lol:
And one of them thought only Englanders could vote.

 

[Crazyface]

On the ITV debate last night all the remain team had to offer was to attack Boris personally, very poor, and to attack what the Leavers said....why didn't they push their case? Because they know the Leavers have a stronger arguement so tried desperately to undermine them. The Leavers stood together in harmony and were far superior.
For Remain. Sturgeon was a disgrace. the Labour women was useless and the Tory woman just plain nuts!
For Leave. Tory woman was superb, Labour woman, shakey start but once into it was solid. Boris was a rock, and did not get drawn into the disgraceful jibes from remain and showed just, actually, he's very very good.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You must be watching a different QT than me. Izzard is acting like a demented idiot, Benn is intellectually challenged as the spectre of his eurosceptic Father leaves him in his shadow. The Leavers seem to have the audience behind them in numbers.

These Leavers certainly know how to debate in style. Sickening abuse and death threats on social media.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

All the above comments on QT prove only one thing.

We all hear what we want to hear, Leave supporters and Remain supporters both claiming their representatives won the argument.

Not much point in debate really.

 

[Tashyboy]

All the above comments on QT prove only one thing.

We all hear what we want to hear, Leave supporters and Remain supporters both claiming their representatives won the argument.

Not much point in debate really.

Micky I am fortunate that I had made my mind up months/ years ago. Feel a bit sorry for those still sat on the fence, because a lot of what is being said is rubbish from both sides.

Thought the the question to Nicola Sturgeon " you don't want to be ruled by Westminster, but are happy to be ruled by Brussels when you are independent 😳" was excellent. One she side stepped excellently by not answering.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Micky I am fortunate that I had made my mind up months/ years ago. Feel a bit sorry for those still sat on the fence, because a lot of what is being said is rubbish from both sides.

Thought the the question to Nicola Sturgeon " you don't want to be ruled by Westminster, but are happy to be ruled by Brussels when you are independent " was excellent. One she side stepped excellently by not answering.

But if a lot of what is being said now is "rubbish" maybe it was months/years ago when you made up your mind.

As for the Sturgeon question it is, at best, naive. I can clearly understand why she would want Scotland to be an independent nation whilst, at the same time, being part of the EU.

However, I do not consider the UK to currently being "ruled by Brussels" any more than Germany, France, Italy or any other member of the EU would be.

 

[jp5]

All the above comments on QT prove only one thing.

We all hear what we want to hear, Leave supporters and Remain supporters both claiming their representatives won the argument.

Not much point in debate really.

I don't think that's fair if one has an open mind. Objectively remain had a terrible night.

 

[Tashyboy]

But if a lot of what is being said now is "rubbish" maybe it was months/years ago when you made up your mind.

As for the Sturgeon question it is, at best, naive. I can clearly understand why she would want Scotland to be an independent nation whilst, at the same time, being part of the EU.

However, I do not consider the UK to currently being "ruled by Brussels" any more than Germany, France, Italy or any other member of the EU would be.

It may well of been, but the fact that mr Cameron and Osborne ( remainers) decided not to apply for EU AID to keep me in a job made my mind up. Not the rubbish that was being spouted about. The EU aid would of kept me and a couple of thousand others in jobs til we were 55 ( avg age in industry) then we could of claimed better pensions. So the claim that staying in the EU helps protect jobs is factually incorrect from my personal experience. Also two of my pensions have gone into the PPF, so to claim your pension is safer in the EU, once more is factually incorrect. both topics I have mentioned before on GM.
I understand people's fears ( on both sides) of the uncertaintanty of where the UK will be whether in or out.
But my decision ( to vote exit) is made solely upon facts and events that have happened to me in my recent history. Not the uncertainty of our future. Furthermore Missis T has also made up her mind on which way she will go having seen the state of her industry ( NHS).

 

[Hacker Khan]

On the ITV debate last night all the remain team had to offer was to attack Boris personally, very poor, and to attack what the Leavers said....why didn't they push their case? Because they know the Leavers have a stronger arguement so tried desperately to undermine them. The Leavers stood together in harmony and were far superior.
For Remain. Sturgeon was a disgrace. the Labour women was useless and the Tory woman just plain nuts!
For Leave. Tory woman was superb, Labour woman, shakey start but once into it was solid. Boris was a rock, and did not get drawn into the disgraceful jibes from remain and showed just, actually, he's very very good.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...en-war-torn-remains-of-britain-20160610109438

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It may well of been, but the fact that mr Cameron and Osborne ( remainers) decided not to apply for EU AID to keep me in a job made my mind up. Not the rubbish that was being spouted about. The EU aid would of kept me and a couple of thousand others in jobs til we were 55 ( avg age in industry) then we could of claimed better pensions. So the claim that staying in the EU helps protect jobs is factually incorrect from my personal experience. Also two of my pensions have gone into the PPF, so to claim your pension is safer in the EU, once more is factually incorrect. both topics I have mentioned before on GM.
I understand people's fears ( on both sides) of the uncertaintanty of where the UK will be whether in or out.
But my decision ( to vote exit) is made solely upon facts and events that have happened to me in my recent history. Not the uncertainty of our future. Furthermore Missis T has also made up her mind on which way she will go having seen the state of her industry ( NHS).

Neither you, nor I, have any idea if State intervention in the coal-mining industry would have actually saved any jobs in the medium to long term.

As for your pensions being within the PPF at least the major part of your benefits will still be payable. This was not always the case prior to the establishment of the PPF.

So it all depends how one interprets the "facts" that are presented to us all.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

These Leavers certainly know how to debate in style. Sickening abuse and death threats on social media.

Not pointing fingers at you Doon but that tactic was well employed by the Scotland Independence supporters last year

 

[MarkE]

The debates on tv are now all taking a similar path. The Leavers trying to state their case, while the Remainers throw cheap personal attacks. It's getting silly now and surely is doing the Remain side little favours.