EU Referendum

[delc]

I agree that if course it is guess work and you can probably get someone to say what you want them to say on both sides as that's the way society is nowadays. But were you listening to the same interview I heard? He said that easy access to the European market (or words to that effect, can't remember the exact words) were very important to Ford. So I assumed that as I guess there is some corporate dictat in Ford to not state on opinion directly, he was spelling out Ford's opinion in another way that made it clear, without actually saying it.

We have factories in the UK making Toyota, Nissan and Honda vehicles in addition to Ford, all of whom may pull out of the country if we leave the EU. We also make wings, engines and other parts for Airbuses. The Tory Party has unfortunately become the home for Little Englanders who yearn for the time when we still had an Empire to profit from. Well now we haven't, so being part of a trading bloc makes sense to me. We are a nett contributor to the EU, despite not being the richest country in it, so that needs to be renegotiated. As a pilot and glider pilot, the one bit of the EU bureaucracy I would like to see removed is the European Aviation Safety Agency, who make running and maintaining a simple bit of kit like a glider about as difficult and complicated as for a Jumbo Jet carrying commercial passenger, but with no discernible gain in actual safety!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

They were too frightened to say they were voting no to independence for fear of being beaten up by people with blue faces

That is a dreadful post, unless it is a failed attempt at [banter] comedy.

 

[delc]

That is a dreadful post, unless it is a failed attempt at [banter] comedy.

But possible true. Scotland has swivel eyed loons who think that their country would be better off outside the UK (remember that the price of oil has slumped), in the same way that swivel eyed loons in England think we would be better off outside the EU!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

But possible true. Scotland has swivel eyed loons who think that their country would be better off outside the UK (remember that the price of oil has slumped), in the same way that swivel eyed loons in England think we would be better off outside the EU!

Scotland has it's share of loons, I shall give you that.
Hobbit was inferring that the Pro Independence group had used intimidation and violence which is a totally different thing.

Oil......I see the Bank of England chief has finely agreed with what many in Scotland have been saying for ages.

 

[Hacker Khan]

To the best of my knowledge business 'leaders' have the same amount of voting 'power' as everyone else...

Also. like everyone else they have an opinion and that's it... An opinion... Nothing more nothing less...

But like it or not they have a hell of a lot more influence on the opportunity for the UK population to do an honest days work than everyone else.

 

[Hobbit]

That is a dreadful post, unless it is a failed attempt at [banter] comedy.

For God's sake Doon stop taking life so seriously the aggravation from both sides was well documented. It was only banter, as this isn't Holyrood or Westminster, we all need to lighten up a bit.

if I'd been living in Scotland back then I'd have voted for independence, just as I'll vote out of the EU. For me, it's about self determination and not having a ruling body that so obviously is all about take and not much give for the UK.

Last year we paid £10.5billion more than we received back. We were fined a further £110million for not having our accounts in on time. And even though both Cameron and Osbourne said it was a money grab on the back of us not paying towards helping Greece out, we're not in the Euro, we still paid up.

have a read about how UK citizens are being denied benefits in the Visigard four, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia. Countries that are supposedly part of the EU club. We're a soft touch, whether it be benefits or exports to other EU countries.

lorry loads of British lambs torched by French farmers. France gets fined but refused to pay the fine. Same happened with Spain.

we play by the rules because it is the British thing to do.

Part of a trading bloc, yes please. Part of a (fair) renegotiated EU I'll consider. But as for what Cameron has brought back from his jaunt, definitely not.

 

[SocketRocket]

I dont believe the EU will endure for too long so we are best out of it ASAP. Just look at the farce going on with the current middle east (plus those from any other country looking for a visa free entry) migrant issue. The EU has been completely hopeless at formulating a plan for this disaster and the main problem is that Nationalism always overrides the Federal in such cases. The EU Eastern European countries still live in the shadow of their previous eastern block oppression and are not bought into multiculturalism, these countries don't want and will not take in these migrants and no amount of pressure from the commission will change that. Add to this the Greek disaster along with the misguided Euro then how can such a unwieldy 'One Fits All' debacle be a suitable our future.

Get out while we can and face future stood on our own feet.

 

[MegaSteve]

But like it or not they have a hell of a lot more influence on the opportunity for the UK population to do an honest days work than everyone else.

Many of them have been strongly canvassing to have much of the regulations regarding employment changed in their favour or for the UK to ignore them... Basically they just want the best bits... And as I've already said many want to exit but as with his own MPs who want to depart DaveCam doesn't want you to hear what they have to say...

Sorry if that doesn't read right... been blown inside out on the course this morning...

 

[SocketRocket]

But possible true. Scotland has swivel eyed loons who think that their country would be better off outside the UK (remember that the price of oil has slumped), in the same way that swivel eyed loons in England think we would be better off outside the EU!

If it's 'swivel eyed loons' were looking out for then Bruxelles has more than you can shake a stick at.

 

[Ethan]

If it's 'swivel eyed loons' were looking out for then Bruxelles has more than you can shake a stick at.

But some of them are the hypocritical UKIP MEPs who are happy to stick their snouts firmly in the trough while condemning all around them.

 

[SocketRocket]

But some of them are the hypocritical UKIP MEPs who are happy to stick their snouts firmly in the trough while condemning all around them.

Rather like SNP MPs in that respect

 

[delc]

The difference between the UK and France is that the French just ignore any EU Directives they don't like, saying it is only a directive, whereas the UK Government seems to regard them as Copper bottomed, Gold plated Laws that have to be implemented to the letter!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Rather like SNP MPs in that respect

Do you think that they should follow the example of some of the Irish parties and not attend Westminster?

Last time I looked they were elected by UK citizens to represent them.

Speaking of snouts in the trough, perhaps you can inform us how many SNP members sit in the House of Lords?

 

[Ethan]

Rather like SNP MPs in that respect

There is a big difference. The SNP is a party that runs part of the country (or another country, depending on your view). UKIP are just a single issue protest party whose other manifesto is based on magical thinking or just copied from the internet. Not really the same thing at all.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Cameron telling his MP's to ignore what their constituency members say on Europe.
That should play well.

End of March will probably see a leadership challenge at this rate.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Never mind a leadership challenge, this guy thinks we could have an election

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[Ethan]

Never mind a leadership challenge, this guy thinks we could have an election

http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.co.uk/

No chance. The Tories have always been at war with themselves, they have just kept it better hidden most of the time. Cameron has a firm grip on power and none of the Tory ideologues are sufficiently idealistic to risk losing power, so they will get in line enough to keep things going. Turkeys with their snouts firmly in the trough do not vote for Christmas.

The real battle in the Tory party is for next leader. Gideon thinks he is the man, but Boris and Theresa May possibly think otherwise, and no doubt some lunatic from the fringe also has an eye on it, pulling a reverse Corbyn, as it were.

 

[SocketRocket]

Do you think that they should follow the example of some of the Irish parties and not attend Westminster?

Last time I looked they were elected by UK citizens to represent them.

Speaking of snouts in the trough, perhaps you can inform us how many SNP members sit in the House of Lords?

My point was in reply that UKIP being MEPs is similar to the SNP MPs attending Westminster. Personally I don't give a toss whether the SNP attend Westminster of the HOL.

Last time I looked UKIP MEPs were voted by UK Citizens to represent them.

 

[SocketRocket]

There is a big difference. The SNP is a party that runs part of the country (or another country, depending on your view). UKIP are just a single issue protest party whose other manifesto is based on magical thinking or just copied from the internet. Not really the same thing at all.

In your rather paranoid opinion.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

My point was in reply that UKIP being MEPs is similar to the SNP MPs attending Westminster. Personally I don't give a toss whether the SNP attend Westminster of the HOL.

Last time I looked UKIP MEPs were voted by UK Citizens to represent them.

I was nearly going to correct you to MP [singular].................................. until I noticed you switched it to MEP, why was that ?