EU elections

[MegaSteve]

I would suggest any enthusiasm for either the Brexit party or the LibDems transferring to a GE as being fairly limited...

 

[Old Skier]

All the next PM has to do now is nothing, just run down the clock untill October

 

[Deleted member 16999]

All the next PM has to do now is nothing, just run down the clock untill October

But I’d suggest Remain MP’s would try to get Parliament to revoke Art 50.

 

[Old Skier]

But I’d suggest Remain MP’s would try to get Parliament to revoke Art 50.

Always a possibility but that would finish quite a few MPs careers IMO.

 

[Hobbit]

As someone who is pro EU, and become more so since 2016, I am quite heartened by the results.

Pro EU Parties (LD, Change, Greens, SNP, Plaid) = 40.4%
Pro Brexit Parties (Brexit and UKIP) = 34.9%

If you were to add Labour votes as Pro EU and Tory votes as Pro Brexit, then we get;
Pro EU = 54.5%
Pro Brexit = 44%.

Appreciate that is a big If, in terms of Labour votes. But it looks increasingly likely that Labour will be far more vocal on the People's Vote front, and if they were to whip their MPs to support this at Westminster, then I'd reckon there is a reasonable chance of it passing. And at that point, it is game on.

Good post, well thought out.

But what about the 22% Labour voters that voted Leave in the referendum? Did they all vote Labour on Thursday? Maybe they did, but maybe they're still in favour of Leave. The same could be applied to the % of LibDems that voted Leave in the Referendum. But then there's the % of Tories that are Remainers. 38% of Scots voted Leave...

We can spin it which ever way we chose but its that close to call I wouldn't say either side have had a convincing result.

 

[Hobbit]

At a huge cost to the country we have an election where its (hopefully) unlikely that the candidates will get to take up their seats. I dont personally think that a vote simply to register a protest is worthwhile and the money better being spent elsewhere. Then we have all the "if you add this to that, and take away something else" which apparently proves this or that is ludicrous, much like "experts" did over the referendum results. The only thing I believe that is indisputable is that the people who voted TBP and UKIP are Brexiteers, or possibly true Democrats (who may have voted remain, but believe in the democratic principle) were definitely voting to leave the EU.

I think the use of the term protest vote, in this instance, by politicians is a cop out. If The Tories and Labour had been doing their job they'd have got the vote. People voted for someone that they think will do the job.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think the use of the term protest vote, in this instance, by politicians is a cop out. If The Tories and Labour had been doing their job they'd have got the vote. People voted for someone that they think will do the job.

Sadly, the main 2 parties could choose to ignore these results and possibly pay for that at the next GE, these people elected to the EU could in theory have a very small if any term of office.

I don’t think it was a protest vote, but I do believe it was a, one issue vote.

 

[Fade and Die]

Amazing the way the remainers are clutching at straws like this is any sort of a victory for them. They were trounced by a party that was created 6 weeks ago. Brexit even won a seat in Scotland!😆

In 1997 the Labour Party won by an absolute landslide, in terms of seats. They won 418 seats with around 13.5 million votes. The Tories and Lib Dems combined vote was just short of 15 million and between them they had 211 seats....anyone on here got the brass neck to say It was close?

Seriously people stop kidding yourselves.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Amazing the way the remainers are clutching at straws like this is any sort of a victory for them. They were trounced by a party that was created 6 weeks ago. Brexit even won a seat in Scotland!😆

In 1997 the Labour Party won by an absolute landslide, in terms of seats. They won 418 seats with around 13.5 million votes. The Tories and Lib Dems combined vote was just short of 15 million and between them they had 211 seats....anyone on here got the brass neck to say It was close?

Seriously people stop kidding yourselves.

There's that much spin being put on it here I'm beginning to think Alistair Campbell has about 4 forum ID's.

 

[Tashyboy]

Amazing the way the remainers are clutching at straws like this is any sort of a victory for them. They were trounced by a party that was created 6 weeks ago. Brexit even won a seat in Scotland!😆

In 1997 the Labour Party won by an absolute landslide, in terms of seats. They won 418 seats with around 13.5 million votes. The Tories and Lib Dems combined vote was just short of 15 million and between them they had 211 seats....anyone on here got the brass neck to say It was close?

Seriously people stop kidding yourselves.

For me is the correct answer.

 

[Tashyboy]

There's that much spin being put on it here I'm beginning to think Alistair Campbell has about 4 forum ID's.

👍😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Amazing the way the remainers are clutching at straws like this is any sort of a victory for them. They were trounced by a party that was created 6 weeks ago. Brexit even won a seat in Scotland!😆

In 1997 the Labour Party won by an absolute landslide, in terms of seats. They won 418 seats with around 13.5 million votes. The Tories and Lib Dems combined vote was just short of 15 million and between them they had 211 seats....anyone on here got the brass neck to say It was close?

Seriously people stop kidding yourselves.

Rather daft comparing a GE to a EU election and going back 22 years.
Who’s kidding who?

 

[Fade and Die]

Rather daft comparing a GE to a EU election and going back 22 years.
Who’s kidding who?

Here ya go....

 

[Taz]

what is this guy smoking ?


Len McCluskey, leader of Unite union, says Labour must stay united, and be ready to govern to "transform the country" - despite the party's poor Euro elections result.
He said the results showed a country divided by Brexit, adding: "For that the blame lies firmly with the Tory Party which has handled the Brexit process disastrously causing despair and disillusion among voters, driving many to (Nigel) Farage and his simplistic offer."
Mr McCluskey said Labour has been the only party that sought to unite the nation on Brexit.
"This is the time to hold our nerve because the true prize is the very real possibility of a looming general election," he added.

 

[Old Skier]

what is this guy smoking ?


Len McCluskey, leader of Unite union, says Labour must stay united, and be ready to govern to "transform the country" - despite the party's poor Euro elections result.
He said the results showed a country divided by Brexit, adding: "For that the blame lies firmly with the Tory Party which has handled the Brexit process disastrously causing despair and disillusion among voters, driving many to (Nigel) Farage and his simplistic offer."
Mr McCluskey said Labour has been the only party that sought to unite the nation on Brexit.
"This is the time to hold our nerve because the true prize is the very real possibility of a looming general election," he added.

Is he flip flopping. Massive leaver.

 

[Grant85]

Good post, well thought out.

But what about the 22% Labour voters that voted Leave in the referendum? Did they all vote Labour on Thursday? Maybe they did, but maybe they're still in favour of Leave. The same could be applied to the % of LibDems that voted Leave in the Referendum. But then there's the % of Tories that are Remainers. 38% of Scots voted Leave...

We can spin it which ever way we chose but its that close to call I wouldn't say either side have had a convincing result.

I think it's safe to assume that the 22% Labour voters who voted Leave probably voted for the Brexit party (if they still believe in Brexit). My guess is that anyone still voting Labour last week (14% nationally) are doing so out of habit and probably are not all that engaged, or choose not to try and be engaged in the European question.

Agree that it's not a clear victory either way, which is going to make it nearly impossible to move on. But it would be nice if we can at least move on from the whole 'will of the people' mantra. I think if we were to proceed with Brexit from this position it has virtually no chance of success given how resolute the Remain side has, and will become.

A peoples vote would allow that resoluteness (on both sides) to disperse as given the information now available, even a narrow victory for either side would have far more chance of leading to an agreed position in the HoC.

Ultimately the original referendum result of 52/48 means that the country said 'we want out, but only a little bit'. Hence it has been a complete failure of government not to find a compromise solution (i.e. SM / CU) as at least a way of delivering on the referendum result. This should have been the obvious solution from the start. My view is that this is due to the Tory party strategy as they wanted to demonstrate to would be UKIPers that they had delivered on the referendum.

 

[Grant85]

Amazing the way the remainers are clutching at straws like this is any sort of a victory for them. They were trounced by a party that was created 6 weeks ago. Brexit even won a seat in Scotland!😆

In 1997 the Labour Party won by an absolute landslide, in terms of seats. They won 418 seats with around 13.5 million votes. The Tories and Lib Dems combined vote was just short of 15 million and between them they had 211 seats....anyone on here got the brass neck to say It was close?

Seriously people stop kidding yourselves.

Not exactly much analysis here.

If you split up the Leave v Remain parties, the votes are very close. Certainly depending on how you split the 'loyal' Tory and Labour votes who chose not to vote Brexit or Lib Dem, it's not beyond the realms of any reasonable analysis to say that there is a Pro EU majority.

Ok, the Brexit Party were clearly the winners and the largest party and on a political campaign level they deserve a lot of credit for harvesting the pro-Leave vote in such a short space of time. But on 31.6% of the votes.... hardly a majority with the pro-EU vote more fractured between LD, Greens, Change, SNP, Plaid.

Brexit Party got fewer votes than the Lib Dems and Greens combined.

Anyone who thinks the country is now clearly in favour of either leaving or remaining is very much mistaken.

 

[chrisd]

what is this guy smoking ?


Len McCluskey, leader of Unite union, says Labour must stay united, and be ready to govern to "transform the country" - despite the party's poor Euro elections result.
He said the results showed a country divided by Brexit, adding: "For that the blame lies firmly with the Tory Party which has handled the Brexit process disastrously causing despair and disillusion among voters, driving many to (Nigel) Farage and his simplistic offer."
Mr McCluskey said Labour has been the only party that sought to unite the nation on Brexit.
"This is the time to hold our nerve because the true prize is the very real possibility of a looming general election," he added.

I'm pretty sure he and his mates in the Labour Party United the country once before - in poverty! Years of austerity followed after they spent all the money.

 

[Old Skier]

Once again Junker fails to understand the difference between being a European and being in the EU https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48397871

 

[Hacker Khan]

Not exactly much analysis here.

If you split up the Leave v Remain parties, the votes are very close. Certainly depending on how you split the 'loyal' Tory and Labour votes who chose not to vote Brexit or Lib Dem, it's not beyond the realms of any reasonable analysis to say that there is a Pro EU majority.

Ok, the Brexit Party were clearly the winners and the largest party and on a political campaign level they deserve a lot of credit for harvesting the pro-Leave vote in such a short space of time. But on 31.6% of the votes.... hardly a majority with the pro-EU vote more fractured between LD, Greens, Change, SNP, Plaid.

Brexit Party got fewer votes than the Lib Dems and Greens combined.

Anyone who thinks the country is now clearly in favour of either leaving or remaining is very much mistaken.

You saying we are still a deeply divided country over a subject that relatively few people really cared about a few years ago, but is now paralysing the country and its politics, sucking the life and oxygen away from many other much more important matters this nation faces such as public spending on the Police, NHS and schools, economic growth and the environment, with still no parliamentary majority for anything?

Sheesh, when will this nightmare be over?