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Brazils team in 86 were nearly as good but lost to a great French team in the quarters on pens !! That was a great match
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chrisd
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We suffered for the youth that followed, with very little thanks!
well you brave men (and women) have my eternal gratitude!
Foxholer
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Doh! I sure am!
Where the heck was I when that was on? 
Good to note - perhaps. More effective, but perhaps not so entertaining!
Foxholer
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Indeed! But then that same trio (plus Junior and Oscar who were stars in 82 as well) were still there and determined to make amends. Great match indeed, but a soul destroying way for it to end. Would have been the same for England had Maradona not also scored probably my 'all time greatest goal' - though who knows what would have happened without the 'Hand of God'!
And FairwayDodger, you are correct. Netherlands have been almost as unlucky losing to hosts both times with pretty attractive Football! I can remember the 74 Final but, for some reason, not the '78 one!
Some real stars throughout the years, but generally not enough to count - apart from 1998 (another fabulous goal, this time from a favourite - Bergkamp!) and, of course the last one. The quality of some of the play in those memories makes me quite look forward to it starting! Many of the internationals recently have been quite turgid!
DanFST
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Please explain? Milner should be an definite starter on Saturday. Purely to cover for Johnsons inability to get back into position. Once the Italians are tired bring on Sterling to take advantage of some tired legs.
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Indeed! But then that same trio (plus Junior and Oscar who were stars in 82 as well) were still there and determined to make amends. Great match indeed, but a soul destroying way for it to end. Would have been the same for England had Maradona not also scored probably my 'all time greatest goal' - though who knows what would have happened without the 'Hand of God'!
And FairwayDodger, you are correct. Netherlands have been almost as unlucky losing to hosts both times with pretty attractive Football! I can remember the 74 Final but, for some reason, not the '78 one!
The quality of some of the play in those memories makes me quite look forward to it starting! Many of the internationals recently have been quite turgid!
So what about England in 82
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DanFST
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Posted up my team on page 26. (I think!) It is incredibly negative, but even me as a Glen Johnson fan. Can't ignore how much he gets caught out of position.
I still think we won't get further than the quarters, but this is the first England team in a while thats had real options on the bench.
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This is the first England team that has exciting youngsters and creative players that can scare teams and we can attack teams instead of sitting a defending and being careful ! For once go for it and attack teams
richart
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So we pick someone to cover the deficiency of another player ?
Surely if you are so worried about Johnson we should then pick someone like Smalling to play right back, as he is better defensively but doesn't offer much going forward.Johnson is not great but the best we have got. Let's not worry so much about stopping the opposition, but play to our strengths which is good wide players in Sterling, Lallana, and the Ox when back from injury. Italy are not that great, and probably just as worried about us as we are about them. We do need to stop Pirlo strolling around dictating the game though.
Lets face it, whoever gets picked, anything short of a win (unlikely) and they will be castigated in the press and useless and rubbish. I like Hodgson, based purely on what he did for Fulham and think he has a degree of tactical nous. Italia 90 was my first big one with drinking involved although Mexico 86 and the Lineker hat trick against Poland still stick out.
richy
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I don't think so. As long as we put in a decent performance with plenty of effort then I'll be happy.
Our attack is our best weapon this tournament as our defence doesn't have the experience of previous years. So I really don't think we should sit back and pick players in midfield to covers our suspect players in defence.
Foxholer
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I agree! what's the point of selecting (so many of) them for the squad and not committing to the strategy. That said, there needs to be a few wise heads as well - but there should be enough of them. Rooney also needs to be encouraged to trust his strengths (strength being one of them) as well - and not get frustrated. I do fear for his ability - or confidence/persistance - at this level though.
DanFST
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I do agree, i'd be very happy too see Lallana and Sterling on the wings, running at full backs. Can ​I see Woy starting with them tho? No.
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Never mind the black and white telly..... where was the goal line technology when we needed it!!!?
Doh! I sure am!
Good to note - perhaps. More effective, but perhaps not so entertaining!
I think most people missed it, was on bbc3 if I recall. And at silly times, mainly watched it on night shifts.
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If he plays safe and goes tried and tested and failed methods with the safe bets without unleashing the youngsters then yes he will get castigated if they don't leave the group
But if he plays the youngsters and goes for it then he shouldn't
richart
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Unfortunately Rooney is not the player he was 8 years ago. He seemed to peak at 20, very much like Michael Owen. Still a decent player, but no longer a world beater. I also think that International teams know how to play against him. Mark him very tight, and don't let him take too many touches. He then drifts out wide to find space, but where he is not that effective.
Personally I would play him up front, and not in the number 10 position where I think Barkley is better. Stronger, quicker and can pick a pass. Not sure about Sturridge as the main striker. Scores some spectacular goals, but not a natural finisher judging by Honduras game. He drops off too much as well, which defeats the purpose of playing one up front. His movement is not in the class of a Lineker, Shearer, Fowler, Wright etc who were natural strikers.
Golfmmad
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Certainly agree with the Sturridge comments. He doesn't do it for me and not international class imo. He should have scored at least one goal against Honduras.
Not in agreement with Rooney comments though. An England team without Rooney is weaker and the opposition will be boosted if he's left out. I think some people forget that Rooney isn't all about scoring goals - he creates so much for others and works tirelessly for the team. And he is still the 4th all time goalscorer for England!
richart
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I think he plays better as a striker not a number 10. Too many flicks and misplaced passes. Not sure that top opposition are worried by him though.
