England

[HomerJSimpson]

If its in the Daily Mail it must be right then

Welbeck doesn't look the completed player in an England shirt. Will that change with age and experience? Maybe. My argument was LP put Gerrard and Lampard forward as CM's in the same role and England manager's wanted both to play attacking roles but couldn't accommodate both. I think that point has been debated and proven many times in the press over the years. I simply put forward that when doing the same role Lampard has been better than Gerrard. However, I accept that Gerrard has been a fantastic servant for England but I do think, despite being Captain that this will be his last hurrah and that in my opinion he is now getting to that point where he may be at the end of the career with surely youth being given its head before the next EC's

 

[Papas1982]

If its in the Daily Mail it must be right then

Welbeck doesn't look the completed player in an England shirt. Will that change with age and experience? Maybe. My argument was LP put Gerrard and Lampard forward as CM's in the same role and England manager's wanted both to play attacking roles but couldn't accommodate both. I think that point has been debated and proven many times in the press over the years. I simply put forward that when doing the same role Lampard has been better than Gerrard. However, I accept that Gerrard has been a fantastic servant for England but I do think, despite being Captain that this will be his last hurrah and that in my opinion he is now getting to that point where he may be at the end of the career with surely youth being given its head before the next EC's

I definatley agree this will be his last. He's already spoken about it himself. And with England have an easy (even for us) euro qualifying group I think we can cope. Plus as Liverpool appear to have a realistic shot at the title again he will want to go for that and Brendan has already commented on him having a decision to make.

 

[Slime]

So Danny Welbeck is currently a better quality footballer than llalana and sterling. Your judgement really is clouded by the loyalty to your team isn't it?

In my opinion, yes.
Oh, and yes.
But let's see who Hodgson picks, I think his judgement is slightly better than our ....................... or maybe he's a Man Utd supporter .


Slime.

 

[richart]

If its in the Daily Mail it must be right then

Welbeck doesn't look the completed player in an England shirt. Will that change with age and experience? Maybe. My argument was LP put Gerrard and Lampard forward as CM's in the same role and England manager's wanted both to play attacking roles but couldn't accommodate both. I think that point has been debated and proven many times in the press over the years. I simply put forward that when doing the same role Lampard has been better than Gerrard. However, I accept that Gerrard has been a fantastic servant for England but I do think, despite being Captain that this will be his last hurrah and that in my opinion he is now getting to that point where he may be at the end of the career with surely youth being given its head before the next EC's

When you look at the current crop of midfielders, they do seem to be better going forward than defensively. Hopefully Henderson will prove to be the defensive midfielder we have been looking for, and the likes of Barkley, Lallana, Wilshere can get the chance.

Barkley reminds me of Roy Keane when he first started playing for Forest. He was great going forward, scored some spectacular goals, but it took his move to Utd before he became an all round central midfield player that could boss a game. Players at 20 just don't do that, but hopefully in a few years .....

 

[richy]

In my opinion, yes.
Oh, and yes.

Slime.

In that case I no longer think you are able to continue to have a sensible discussion on this matter

 

[G1BB0]

Italy will beat us, Uruguay will beat us and costa rica will earn a draw.... Roy will blame the heat and something else but when it comes down to it we just wont be good enough!

Watching the last 2 games I saw zero positives. We should be winning both games confortably regardless of starting 11.

5/4 not to qualify from the group... even the bookies dont fancy us lol

 

[Slime]

I definatley agree this will be his last. He's already spoken about it himself. And with England have an easy (even for us) euro qualifying group I think we can cope. Plus as Liverpool appear to have a realistic shot at the title again he will want to go for that and Brendan has already commented on him having a decision to make.

:rofl: Seriously? :rofl:


Slime.

 

[Papas1982]

:rofl: Seriously? :rofl:


Slime.

In comparison to a lot of years recently when they've said "this is our year" yes.

They em were second this year, if Rogers learns she. To stick then I think so.
Theyve added a quality striker, appear to have mere can tied up and with lallana also I think a fully fit Liverpool squad has a chance.

Obviously city and Chelsea are favourites. But Liverpool have comfortably the best team after them.

 

[Papas1982]

Italy will beat us, Uruguay will beat us and costa rica will earn a draw.... Roy will blame the heat and something else but when it comes down to it we just wont be good enough!

Watching the last 2 games I saw zero positives. We should be winning both games confortably regardless of starting 11.

5/4 not to qualify from the group... even the bookies dont fancy us lol

Since September when they beat the Czechs. Italy have played Denmark, Armenia, Germany, Nigeria, Spain, Republic of Ireland and Luxembourg. All without a victory. I'm not running scared of them at all.

 

[Slime]

In that case I no longer think you are able to continue to have a sensible discussion on this matter

And what's your excuse?


Slime.

 

[Slime]

In comparison to a lot of years recently when they've said "this is our year" yes.

They em were second this year, if Rogers learns she. To stick then I think so.
Theyve added a quality striker, appear to have mere can tied up and with lallana also I think a fully fit Liverpool squad has a chance.

Obviously city and Chelsea are favourites. But Liverpool have comfortably the best team after them.

I'm sorry, but could you write that in better English!


Slime.

 

[richy]

And what's your excuse?


Slime.

You said it yourself, you're biased towards Man U players rather than picking players on quality and form. If you weren't so blinded by club loyalty then the discussion could've continued.

 

[Papas1982]

I'm sorry, but could you write that in better English!


Slime.

In comparison to a lot of years recently when they've said "this is our year",yes.


They were second this year, if Rogers learns when To stick then I think so.
Theyve added a quality striker, appear to have emre can tied up and with lallana also, I think a fully fit Liverpool squad has a chance.


Obviously city and Chelsea are favourites. But Liverpool have comfortably the best team after them.

hope that clears it up.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seem to remember that Makelele was a useful midfield player, and not sure he scored too many. You can not just judge midfield player by his goals. Some are attacking, some defensive, some play wide, but to me the best are ones that can get forward, score goals, but also have an engine to get back defensively, can tackle, and actually help out in defence and not be a liability. Gerrard is the best I have seen for England in the last ten years. Roy Keane the best I have seen in the last 20 years in the Premiership.

On the question of Welbeck, he looks great when he does something instinctively, but give him time to think and he becomes a headless chicken. He beat two men with a nice change of pace, and then instead of getting his head up to look for a pass, tries to outrun a defender who is standing five yards off him. To many England players can not play a final ball.

Exactly Rich. - there is so many elements to a CM role that can't be measured in stats

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If its in the Daily Mail it must be right then

Welbeck doesn't look the completed player in an England shirt. Will that change with age and experience? Maybe. My argument was LP put Gerrard and Lampard forward as CM's in the same role and England manager's wanted both to play attacking roles but couldn't accommodate both. I think that point has been debated and proven many times in the press over the years. I simply put forward that when doing the same role Lampard has been better than Gerrard. However, I accept that Gerrard has been a fantastic servant for England but I do think, despite being Captain that this will be his last hurrah and that in my opinion he is now getting to that point where he may be at the end of the career with surely youth being given its head before the next EC's

What paper it's written in is irrelevant - it's the words he is using

Lampard and Gerrard didn't play the same role for England - one was more attacking than the other - Lampard so he did get into more goalscoring areas whilst Gerrard sat deeper. Because Gerrard had the ability to do both - so even though Gerrard sat deeper he still got a good return of goals - but it's just one aspect.

It's why when Gerrard and Scholes played together they fitted so well - the Germany 5-1 was a perfect example.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In my opinion, yes.
Oh, and yes.
But let's see who Hodgson picks, I think his judgement is slightly better than our ....................... or maybe he's a Man Utd supporter .


Slime.

You must be joking if you think Welbeck is better than Sterling and Lallana - :rofl:

And Woy picking him isn't proof that he is.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Exactly Rich. - there is so many elements to a CM role that can't be measured in stats

But surely winning a league title is a pretty big stat :thup:

 

[Foxholer]

But surely winning a league title is a pretty big stat :thup:

Has about the same merit as it does rating 'keepers!

Would you consider, say, Liverpool's back 4 (or 5) better that Chelsea's because they finished higher?

 

[Hobbit]

But surely winning a league title is a pretty big stat :thup:

I guess that makes Alan Shearer one of the worst strikers in the country... Teams, or squads, win titles.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I guess that makes Alan Shearer one of the worst strikers in the country... Teams, or squads, win titles.

Shearer won title with Blackburn