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[Rooter]

But isn't the whole point of this World Cup, IMO at least, to bed in the up and coming youngsters? Give them the experience of big games in the biggest football tournament of all.

Bed the up and coming youngsters up for what? The world cup?! We need to field our strongest team and play to win. Simple. I think RicharTs teams is probably the best suggested line up, with the options of rooney and sterling to impact for the last 30mins.

 

[Papas1982]

But isn't the whole point of this World Cup, IMO at least, to bed in the up and coming youngsters? Give them the experience of big games in the biggest football tournament of all.
People are starting to talk like we have a chance of winning it again, it'll be the same old "experienced" players who've done sod all internationally getting picked, and yet again we'll fail abysmally with a boring "backs to the wall but weren't they brave by losing on penalties" story again!
last night was the most excited I've been in a long time watching an England team, we seemed to have more ideas and guile on the ball than in the last 20 years (18 actually since 1996 )

I would suggest the perfect time for bedding in the youngsters is the upcoming euro qualifiers. Group is a piece of cake and up to 3 teams qualify so no real pressure. Also, as I said. I simply don't think Barkley warrants a starting berth. Potential that he has, he hasn't done it often eniugh. I'm happy for lallana, Henderson, sturridge, sterling to get on (all have little intl experience) as think their seasons have warranted it. I'd even have taken flanagan instead of Johnson as I think he's had a good season and Johnson isn't up to intl level.

If we're dropping the tried and tested then lampard, Rooney and Gerrard should be on the plane.

 

[Beezerk]

Bed the up and coming youngsters up for what? The world cup?! We need to field our strongest team and play to win. Simple. I think RicharTs teams is probably the best suggested line up, with the options of rooney and sterling to impact for the last 30mins.

But we won't win a damn thing, that's the point. Look to the future rather than blinkered with short term gains. It's what the FA have been doing for 50 years.

 

[FairwayDodger]

But isn't the whole point of this World Cup, IMO at least, to bed in the up and coming youngsters? Give them the experience of big games in the biggest football tournament of all.
People are starting to talk like we have a chance of winning it again, it'll be the same old "experienced" players who've done sod all internationally getting picked, and yet again we'll fail abysmally with a boring "backs to the wall but weren't they brave by losing on penalties" story again!
last night was the most excited I've been in a long time watching an England team, we seemed to have more ideas and guile on the ball than in the last 20 years (18 actually since 1996 )

It's the World Cup finals, the pinnacle of the sport, you've got to try your best. It's four years until the next one and there are no guarantees you'll qualify or that any of the current crop of youngsters will still be in the team if you do.

 

[Rooter]

But we won't win a damn thing, that's the point.

Not with that attitude! LOL

 

[bozza]

Sorry, half a season in a mid table team doesn't cut it.

Started 25 games, came on as sub in 9 so in total he missed 4 games. How does that count as half a season!?

Yes he makes mistakes and can give the ball away but that's because he has no fear and will try take players on and create chances.

I'd much rather he made a mistake now and again but tried to create chances/goals than look for the easy pass and play it safe.

We've been crying out for a young talented player with no fear for years and now we finally have some and it's time to use them.

 

[Papas1982]

Started 25 games, came on as sub in 9 so in total he missed 4 games. How does that count as half a season!?

Yes he makes mistakes and can give the ball away but that's because he has no fear and will try take players on and create chances.

I'd much rather he made a mistake now and again but tried to create chances/goals than look for the easy pass and play it safe.

We've been crying out for a young talented player with no fear for years and now we finally have some and it's time to use them.

its t's all well and good doing that in the league, I'm under no illusions thinking we will lift the cup. But knowing how fickle our fans are, if Barkley gives the ball away and we get knocked out. Everyone will turn on him, nit said good lad for trying. Of those 34 games he played in, he may have tried lots of stuff, but if can't remember too many highlights. 10 games maybe, as I've said, great potential. But, does he do enough to currently warrant a place ahead of sterling or lallana his most likely competition?

 

[bozza]

its t's all well and good doing that in the league, I'm under no illusions thinking we will lift the cup. But knowing how fickle our fans are, if Barkley gives the ball away and we get knocked out. Everyone will turn on him, nit said good lad for trying. Of those 34 games he played in, he may have tried lots of stuff, but if can't remember too many highlights. 10 games maybe, as I've said, great potential. But, does he do enough to currently warrant a place ahead of sterling or lallana his most likely competition?

How many games has Rooney, Welbeck, Johnson, Milner played well in this season?

I can probably count them on one hand so on that theory neither of them should start.

 

[Slime]

Rooney scored and assisted more goals than Sterling, Lallana and Barkley last season.

The problem a lot of people have is that he plays for a mid-table team ................................... called Manchester United!
He'd be first on the team sheet for me, along with Hart and Gerrard.


Slime.

 

[richart]

Rooney scored and assisted more goals than Sterling, Lallana and Barkley last season.

In the Utd team he can get away with losing the ball, as they win it back quickly, well apart from last season. For England lose the ball you don't see it again.

Also be careful with assists. You can pass the ball three yards to someone in your own half, they go on to beat six players and score a wonder goal and you get an assist. We had a player at Reading last season had loads of assists , but was the worst passer in the team. Ball retention, completed passes is just as important at International level. I didn't watch all the game last night, but what I saw Rooney kept giving the ball away with stupid first time flicks. HOLD THE BLOODY BALL UP !!!!

 

[Pin-seeker]

Looks like the Ox could be out. What is it with Arsenal players & injuries??

 

[Pin-seeker]

Just had a bad thought if the Ox is out.....Tom Cleverly

 

[Slime]

In the Utd team he can get away with losing the ball, as they win it back quickly, well apart from last season. For England lose the ball you don't see it again.

Ball retention, completed passes is just as important at International level. I didn't watch all the game last night, but what I saw Rooney kept giving the ball away with stupid first time flicks. HOLD THE BLOODY BALL UP !!!!

I think you'll find that that was Lambert's brief last night.
Rooney was out on the wing, who was he supposed to hold the ball up for, the full back?
That was Lambert's job as the spearhead of the England team, he failed in that regard, where are the pelters aimed at him?
I thought he had a pretty poor game, average at best, only lit up by his magnificent strike. Apart from that I saw very little.
Wilshire scares me, he's an injury waiting to happen and not as good as he was hyped up to be.
Barkley showed glimpses of real class, I think he's going to get some proper game time.


Slime.

 

[bladeplayer]

Sorry, half a season in a mid table team doesn't cut it.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAT . i use to like you Murph :angry:

 

[AmandaJR]

The latest is Ox has strained medial ligament so not torn and possibly still going to make the World Cup. Hope so as for me he was our best player last night...

 

[richart]

I think you'll find that that was Lambert's brief last night.
Rooney was out on the wing, who was he supposed to hold the ball up for, the full back?
That was Lambert's job as the spearhead of the England team, he failed in that regard, where are the pelters aimed at him?
I thought he had a pretty poor game, average at best, only lit up by his magnificent strike. Apart from that I saw very little.
Wilshire scares me, he's an injury waiting to happen and not as good as he was hyped up to be.
Barkley showed glimpses of real class, I think he's going to get some proper game time.


Slime.

Rooney was out on the wing ? Seemed to be coming in field from what I saw. Even wingers should try andkeep the ball, not give it away cheaply. They are allowed to pass back in field, and don't have to try and beat their man every time. I will change my words for you. KEEP THE BLOODY BALL !!

 

[Slime]

Myopia is a funny old thing!


Slime.

 

[Papas1982]

How many games has Rooney, Welbeck, Johnson, Milner played well in this season?

I can probably count them on one hand so on that theory neither of them should start.

Rooney was utds stand out player, as much as I think he's overrated. The role covered by Rooney or Barkley will be for playing in the hole. One has 25/30 goals/assists this year. The other 10. And you'd pick bakley? Support Everton I presume?

 

[Pin-seeker]

 

[richart]

Rooney was utds stand out player, as much as I think he's overrated. The role covered by Rooney or Barkley will be for playing in the hole. One has 25/30 goals/assists this year. The other 10. And you'd pick bakley? Support Everton I presume?

Not everyone is blinded by players from their own team.