England Football Team - managers job

[NWJocko]

Re Southgate, anyone follow the u21's to know how he's done with them?

I'd imagine if he does well in the next few games it would be his to lose then?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

He has actually done very well and won an U'21 tournament, the Toulon tournament, this summer. I agree with your last sentence.

 

[freddielong]

So Leicester under Pearson nearly went down, the same players under Ranieri won the league.

Although that is factually correct he did get them playing most of the season and which included an amazing run of results at the end of the seson to keep them up.

 

[user2010]

If some on here are wanting to put, old, past it, talks a good game, not worked at a high level of management in years, doesn`t know the modern game and has held some pretty obnoxious views on people and has "served his time", up for the next England Manager, can I throw Big Ron`s hat into the ring please.:rofl:

 

[patricks148]

What About Harry Redknapp , surely in the same situation as Big Sam, he would have said "no i couldn't possibly do that, I'll have to report you to the authorities":rofl::rofl:

 

[Liverbirdie]

It's disingenuous to say that Ranieri alone made the diffierence , he bought Kante Fuchs Huth Okazaki and others. You can't do that at International level, you can't just go and magic up players.

No its not.

Most premiership clubs sign 5 or more players a season, and to turn them from relegation-escapers into champions is mainly to the managers credit.

I think they won the last 7 games under Pearson. Lots of other relegation threatened teams have gone on a similar run at the end of the season, but not gone on to win the league the following season, or lets face it even finished top 8-10 the following season.

 

[fundy]

Arsenal had British coaches for over a century - who was their heyday under? (Or at least for the first 10years) - a foreign manager.

If you want an English manager, no matter, fair enough, but you cant honestly say that English managers have performed BETTER than the two foreign ones, and have mainly been worse.

Think you'll find Herbert Chapman was as English as they come

 

[Liverbirdie]

Think you'll find Herbert Chapman was as English as they come

He was, but I thought his better years were at Huddersfield.Arsene still won more though.

 

[sawtooth]

No its not.

Most premiership clubs sign 5 or more players a season, and to turn them from relegation-escapers into champions is mainly to the managers credit.

I think they won the last 7 games under Pearson. Lots of other relegation threatened teams have gone on a similar run at the end of the season, but not gone on to win the league the following season, or lets face it even finished top 8-10 the following season.

You kind of implied that Leicester came from relegation material to champions just by changing the manager. Not true, they added 4-5 players most of which were key for last season.

What can the next England manager do if he wants/needs better players?

 

[Golfmmad]

Gareth Southgate should be given a chance. He's played at the top level - International and Premiership football.

Managed England at U21's and been very successful, knows all the up and coming youngsters which bodes well for the future. If he does do well in the next four games and is given the job I do hope he is given some time to develop.

The FA hopefully will change things in the whole set up - especially at grass roots level. Not sure if there is one these days but a Director of Football - a visionary should be appointed. Also if Southgate is given the job then a lot of thought should be given to his assistant - any ideas?

I listened to Talk Sport this morning (haven't tuned in for a long time) and they had Adrian Bevington on, formerly at the FA. He was on for about an hour or so and what he had to say about Allardyce and the FA was very interesting and insightful. He said that they showed great leadership and decisiveness at the way they acted very swiftly. He was asked why Sam was taken on after his dealings of some years ago. He made the point that even with the toughest due diligence over his appointment, how can anybody know what he decides to do at any given time. And the moment SA agreed to the meeting that was the end of his England job which was all his own decision to do so.

Some of the things he had to say about the FA showed that it's not filled with stuffed old shirts as some on here would say, more that it's a great business empire and brings a lot of income and contributes a substantial amount of tax funds going to the Inland Revenue. Also, all the people involved at the FA care passionately about English Football.

 

[Liverbirdie]

You kind of implied that Leicester came from relegation material to champions just by changing the manager. Not true, they added 4-5 players most of which were key for last season.

What can the next England manager do if he wants/needs better players?

For a start, they had Huth the year before Ranieri came.

Secondly, coach them better. England normally have a core of 25-30 players that with the right style of play, tactics, can and should be getting to semi-finals or even better. Just because second-rate English England managers dont get them there, doesnt factually mean that a good German/Spanish/Brazilian coach couldnt.

Keep making the same mistakes of the last 50 years then.

Busby,Shankly, Clough,Paisley, Ferguson all never picked by the FA for their top job - keep accepting mediocrity, and thats what you will get and for that I cant believe that you want another Englishman. This generation is the worst ever, as well, so even more mediocre than normal.......and you want them to reach even lower.

Lets say that Bruce, Pardew, Southgate didnt want it, do you then go even lower, just cos they are English?

I guarantee you that if a German won us the world cup, you wouldnt be bothered in the slightest, amongst all the furore.

 

[Liverbirdie]

You kind of implied that Leicester came from relegation material to champions just by changing the manager. Not true, they added 4-5 players most of which were key for last season.

What can the next England manager do if he wants/needs better players?

Does it bother you that the Ryder cup is now Europe and not GB&I?

 

[Papas1982]

Does it bother you that the Ryder cup is now Europe and not GB&I?

If we won with a foreign manager it would absolutely be tainted for me, just like i wouldn't want us to adopt the cricket and rugby route of overseas players.

The golf was already a mixed event. Been as i consider myself English when england partake in sports, i wan englands best to win.

The Ryder cup, we are part of a European team so i wAnt Europe to win. If there was an english team v europe v america then i'd want England to win. I wasn't into golf prior to europe joing so i cant say how i would feel about it changing.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

For a start, they had Huth the year before Ranieri came.

Secondly, coach them better. England normally have a core of 25-30 players that with the right style of play, tactics, can and should be getting to semi-finals or even better. Just because second-rate English England managers dont get them there, doesnt factually mean that a good German/Spanish/Brazilian coach couldnt.

Keep making the same mistakes of the last 50 years then.

Busby,Shankly, Clough,Paisley, Ferguson all never picked by the FA for their top job - keep accepting mediocrity, and thats what you will get and for that I cant believe that you want another Englishman. This generation is the worst ever, as well, so even more mediocre than normal.......and you want them to reach even lower.

Lets say that Bruce, Pardew, Southgate didnt want it, do you then go even lower, just cos they are English?

I guarantee you that if a German won us the world cup, you wouldnt be bothered in the slightest, amongst all the furore.

Totally agree with your post, but, Busby clashed with Ramsey, Clough was way too loud, Paisley no idea why not (maybe age when he finished with you's), the other 2, not in a million years will the "old boys" at the FA have a Scottish person in charge.
Should've tried for SAF years ago.

 

[sawtooth]

If we won with a foreign manager it would absolutely be tainted for me, just like i wouldn't want us to adopt the cricket and rugby route of overseas players.

The golf was already a mixed event. Been as i consider myself English when england partake in sports, i wan englands best to win.

The Ryder cup, we are part of a European team so i wAnt Europe to win. If there was an english team v europe v america then i'd want England to win. I wasn't into golf prior to europe joing so i cant say how i would feel about it changing.

Ditto.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ditto.

If England won the WC it wouldn't matter one single bit to people what nationality the manager is - not one single bit , if you look at record books there is never an asterisk next to Greece to say it's tainted that they won with a German in charge

Just like people didn't care with an Aussie in charge as England Rugby and Cricket won Ashes and Grand Slams


Would you prefer to get to KO stage with an Englishman in charge or win with a German/Dutchman in charge ?

 

[Liverbirdie]

If we won with a foreign manager it would absolutely be tainted for me, just like i wouldn't want us to adopt the cricket and rugby route of overseas players.

The golf was already a mixed event. Been as i consider myself English when england partake in sports, i wan englands best to win.

The Ryder cup, we are part of a European team so i wAnt Europe to win. If there was an english team v europe v america then i'd want England to win. I wasn't into golf prior to europe joing so i cant say how i would feel about it changing.

I understand as far as players are concerned, totally agree. There was a thing a few years ago about players who had played in the prem for more than 5 years could then play for England - totally against that. Its different for me for the manager.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So if you're so English, why don't some of you support the English teams you don't follow in Europe and want them to win, oh hang on that's different.......not.

 

[Papas1982]

I understand as far as players are concerned, totally agree. There was a thing a few years ago about players who had played in the prem for more than 5 years could then play for England - totally against that. Its different for me for the manager.

I fully accept my view is in the minority, and once in charge i imagine i would cheer as much as others. But, if i was to choose perfect scenario, it would include Englishmen from top to bottom. My simplistic view is that it should be "our" best, against the rest.

I believe we would do better with Pep than any current offering, just isnt what i'd like to see. Jose has always said he see's himself managing portgual. Imagine he takes us to a world cup and weeks before Portugal lose their manager for one reason or another. Would he turn down a last minute sos from them? Thats my main issue, not their abilty. More their loyalty.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I fully accept my view is in the minority, and once in charge i imagine i would cheer as much as others. But, if i was to choose perfect scenario, it would include Englishmen from top to bottom. My simplistic view is that it should be "our" best, against the rest.

I believe we would do better with Pep than any current offering, just isnt what i'd like to see. Jose has always said he see's himself managing portgual. Imagine he takes us to a world cup and weeks before Portugal lose their manager for one reason or another. Would he turn down a last minute sos from them? Thats my main issue, not their abilty. More their loyalty.

Johnny foreigner not being loyal then.