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I see the FA have opened talks with Sam Allardyce after Sunderland gave them permission.

Is he a good fit - no real international experience?

Better than Hoddle surely?

What do we think? Could he get the best out of the players, get their passion back?
 
It's certainly different and a change of thinking/approach is required so why not?

He gets my vote but Hoddle would be no.1 pick.

It's good to see the FA stick with selecting an Englishman.
 
After a shocking Euros someone as actually thought 'I know who could sort this team out,Big Sam' 😣

I've got nothing against Big Sam & he's a good manager in certain situations,but winning major tournaments certainly isn't one of them.
 
Another manager who has achieved nothing of note in his history beyond just keeping a club in the prem and a style of play stuck in the 70's

What difference is there with the bloke that just left - it would be a typical gutless move from the FA
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Another manager who has achieved nothing of note in his history beyond just keeping a club in the prem and a style of play stuck in the 70's

What difference is there with the bloke that just left - it would be a typical gutless move from the FA
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I agree in that I don't see how he has the all round experience to counter the Brazilians, the French, the Spanish or even Iceland etc. And yes, it could be seen as a gutless move or even a move that is one to please the British footballing public. But where else do we go? We have tried experienced mangers before - Capello and you couldn't really argue with his credentials and how did he do? I cant see Wenger doing it, they would be mad to go back to Hoddle. who else is in the running?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Another manager who has achieved nothing of note in his history beyond just keeping a club in the prem and a style of play stuck in the 70's

What difference is there with the bloke that just left - it would be a typical gutless move from the FA
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Managed in the premier league, generally not been rubbish despite what deluded west ham fans believe about his style of play. Took the turd that was the Sunderland squad (and I say this as a supporter) and kept them up with shrewd signings (admittedly not super relevant in international football) and playing a system that suits the playing personnel.

Take the last 19 games results and double the points, you would have a 9th place finish with a very poor squad. There are definite possibilities if you give him the sort of resources that are available to the FA.
 
It wont make a difference as to who they appoint. The England players dont have the necessary technique and ability to challenge at the sharp end of major tournaments. They also dont appear to have the right attitude.

Having said that, Allardyce is a bad choice.
 
Tongo said:
It wont make a difference as to who they appoint. The England players dont have the necessary technique and ability to challenge at the sharp end of major tournaments. They also dont appear to have the right attitude.

I think this is the key factor and was highlighted so well by Shearer in the Euros. (and by many others over the last umpteen months!) The Premier League is being supported by the influx of foreign players which our home grown 'talent' look good. they do not seem to have the fight, the passion, the ability to play together. Unless of course, the new manager can turn them round and find a team and system that works and then friggin' sticks to it so they can work together as a unit, then I fear we will never progress in future tournaments.
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I'm one of the deluded and was delighted to see the back of him and then bring Slaven in. It hasn't worked out too badly so far. That said, i think he'll be a perfect England manager, we're used to watching them being boring and losing but with Sam i think there will be structure, purpose, an identity and a strong work ethic. Like our Portuguese friends i'd be delighted to see us "win ugly" and actually do something at a major tournament.
 
I don't like Big Sam at all, for his lack of grace after Middlesbrough beat Bolton in the League Cup final, but I'd give him a go. He did very well with some average players at Bolton. He improved West Ham, and he saved Sunderland.

Whether he can do anything with England is another story. Attitude and application from the England prima Donna's is an issue he'll need to resolve, and then there's a few gaping holes in who to pick. When you look at the shear number of foreign imports in the Prem and, conversely, see how few England players get exposure to European football because of that... its a big league but relatively few decent English players. Maybe getting away from always picking from the big clubs might help, e.g. Drinkwater's exclusion just to fit an unfit past it guy....
 
Hobbit said:
I don't like Big Sam at all, for his lack of grace after Middlesbrough beat Bolton in the League Cup final, but I'd give him a go. He did very well with some average players at Bolton. He improved West Ham, and he saved Sunderland.

Whether he can do anything with England is another story. Attitude and application from the England prima Donna's is an issue he'll need to resolve, and then there's a few gaping holes in who to pick. When you look at the shear number of foreign imports in the Prem and, conversely, see how few England players get exposure to European football because of that... its a big league but relatively few decent English players. Maybe getting away from always picking from the big clubs might help, e.g. Drinkwater's exclusion just to fit an unfit past it guy....
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See also Sturridge instead of Defoe, not even upset about the Rashford pick like so many were but what on earth were Wilshere and Sturridge doing on that plane. Also think Milner should have been ahead of at least Wilshere in the pecking order, still doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Can't make my mind up about Sterling, however he should certainly have been dropped during the tournament.
 
drewster said:
I'm one of the deluded and was delighted to see the back of him and then bring Slaven in. It hasn't worked out too badly so far. That said, i think he'll be a perfect England manager, we're used to watching them being boring and losing but with Sam i think there will be structure, purpose, an identity and a strong work ethic. Like our Portuguese friends i'd be delighted to see us "win ugly" and actually do something at a major tournament.
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For me it depends who takes the credit for your lot's excellent signings last season. Not sure how much is down to the management of Bilic vs a great performance in the transfer market. That squad is so much stronger than it was the season prior
 
Whoever they choose they'll get my full support and I will judge them on results, good thing whoever it is, they'll get a full qualifying campaign and no expectancy on their shoulders after the dismal Euros.
 
I'd take Hoddle. But it's the players that are the problem, having little pride in playing for the country. After the Iceland debacle you would think they would be hiding in shame rather than living it up in Ibiza without a care in the world like Dele Alli.
 
I have no idea how Sam would do if appointed. Mulling over, big name managers are often good at spending cash to bring in their sort of players and building their team.
Other managers are chucked in to a tricky situation and make the best of what they have available to them. Sound anything like a national team manager?
 
This is a typical reaction to a woeful England performance.
Go back to the 70s and 80s and the problem was we couldn't keep the ball and just lumped it up to a strong centre forward. We needed to play more like France
Queue the foreign managers.
Then we had no passion we needed an Englishman. We needed to play more like Germany.
Hodgson played a boring 4-4-2 and got slated. He then played 4-3-3 and the players let him down.
This time he was ready with the 4-3-3 but Vardy came along so he tried the diamond and confused everyone so they froze. But we should have played like Portugal.
Big Sam is the answer, but to the wrong question. Yes he'll get us playing strong, direct football with a good defensive structure, but then he'll get slated for not being skillful enough.
Hoddle has the ability to be understood by the players but his beliefs will get hounded by the press and he'll be outed again.
I thought the FA had finally decided on a plan when they picked Hodgson - play the 4-3-3 with a strong midfield and then we'd make the whole England set up feed in the same way so everyone knows their job.
Hodgson was going that way but didn't quite have enough skills or strength to back himself - his lack of leadership fed into the team.
BUT
We were keeping the ball better than ever before. We just didn't defend properly.
So I think we need someone who can keep the ideal, just coach a better defensive system.
I can't see Sam doing that. He'll totally change the set up yet again.
Much as they are weak choices I think Pardue or Hughes are the best of a bad lot.
But not Sam. Please not Sam 😭
 
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