England Football Team - managers job

Liverpoolphil said:
What difference is there with the bloke that just left - it would be a typical gutless move from the FA
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I think there's a huge difference.
Hodgson tried to buy into the corporate message (possession football - bring in the youth) but wasn't good enough.
Allardyce will do what he thinks best.IE strong defense, mature, safe choices. We'll have more Miner, less Alli. More Carroll Les Kane.
He'll fall foul of the media and be hated by the fans by Christmas.
 
Oohmeoldbacksknackered said:
I think there's a huge difference.
Hodgson tried to buy into the corporate message (possession football - bring in the youth) but wasn't good enough.
Allardyce will do what he thinks best.IE strong defense, mature, safe choices. We'll have more Miner, less Alli. More Carroll Les Kane.
He'll fall foul of the media and be hated by the fans by Christmas.
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I think that's a bit unfair on Alladyce. The one thing you are forgetting is that he has managed clubs with limited resources and to a large extent that has forced his hand in terms of who he buys and how he sets his teams out to play. Yes he tends to pack his team with strong, bustling , hard nosed experienced (has been) players but that's invariably what he has needed to do, not necessarily what he wanted to do. His safe, tried and tested formula that stops his teams leaking goals and makes them hard to beat won't be called into action so much with England.

He can pick whoever he wants without the worry and pressure of finances and relegation. I seem to recall that when his Bolton team were established as a top half table team it produced some wonderful football with the likes of Okocha.

You will see the same with Sunderland eventually IMO.

I think fat Sam is an interesting choice and it might just be what England need. I can see him selecting players that have real passion and desire to play for the shirt instead of having over paid, pampered prime donnas that would rather be somewhere else.
 
sawtooth said:
I think that's a bit unfair on Alladyce. The one thing you are forgetting is that he has managed clubs with limited resources and to a large extent that has forced his hand in terms of who he buys and how he sets his teams out to play. Yes he tends to pack his team with strong, bustling , hard nosed experienced (has been) players but that's invariably what he has needed to do, not necessarily what he wanted to do. His safe, tried and tested formula that stops his teams leaking goals and makes them hard to beat won't be called into action so much with England.

He can pick whoever he wants without the worry and pressure of finances and relegation. I seem to recall that when his Bolton team were established as a top half table team it produced some wonderful football with the likes of Okocha.

You will see the same with Sunderland eventually IMO.

I think fat Sam is an interesting choice and it might just be what England need. I can see him selecting players that have real passion and desire to play for the shirt instead of having over paid, pampered prime donnas that would rather be somewhere else.
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Spot on for me.

I'd also ask the question about why so many people have the mindset that says England have to set up to play a certain way to counteract threats. Be aware of them definitely, but how about setting up the way we play best and letting the opposition worry about setting up to counteract that.

England have a habit of picking a team and then asking them to play in an alien way... I've never got that.
 
Cant believe you all knocking Big Sam

Personally i think he'd be a great choice. Firstly, he gets results with poor teams. Internationally, England are poor (regardless of what the media hype about our players) He'll find a way to grind results in the more important games, ie a major tournament. I think any manager on the pro circuit could guide England through qualifying stages of either world cup or the world cup for that matter.

Secondly, he talks about England and the English game with passion. And lets face it, passion is one of those qualities we look for when describing the England team, 'cos talent inst one of them.

I cant help but think if Big Sam was in that dressing room at HT in the Iceland game, we'd of came out fighting and got through..
 
Personally I don't mind a defensive minded coach (Arsenal fan since late 60s). But it just seems a knee jerk reaction to one bad (terrible, bloody awful) game.
I thought the FA had decided the style they want England to use from the teenagers up. More Southampton than Man Utd. Once we had that it should be evolution to get better at it, irrespective of the manager.
Big Sam is a full on Revolution. Wipe everything clean and start again. He won't win anything, he just won't be spectacularly terrible.
The FA, the media and the most vocal fans will want more than that once we've rolled over a couple of minnows in qualifying and he'll start getting a terrible press after the honeymoon period.
Hodgson didn't have the skills to finish the job but he put a lot of good things in place (bringing youngsters through, keeping possession better, being comfortable on the ball, being more attack minded). The next manager should be given the remit to keep those good things but get better at the parts of the game we clearly lack.
None of the things Big Sam will do. He'll build on a strong defense. He likes to move the ball quickly. Having the majority of possession isn't one of his performance indicators. He's not ever been accused of bringing youngsters through.
He's very much a pragmatist.

I think the FA should make sure they know exactly what they want from the next manager before deciding who they want to do it.
 
"I think any manager on the pro circuit could guide England through qualifying stages of either world cup or the world cup for that matter."

Maybe..
But what about the world cup?
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Big D 88 said:
Cant believe you all knocking Big Sam

Personally i think he'd be a great choice. Firstly, he gets results with poor teams. Internationally, England are poor (regardless of what the media hype about our players) He'll find a way to grind results in the more important games, ie a major tournament. I think any manager on the pro circuit could guide England through qualifying stages of either world cup or the world cup for that matter.

Secondly, he talks about England and the English game with passion. And lets face it, passion is one of those qualities we look for when describing the England team, 'cos talent inst one of them.

I cant help but think if Big Sam was in that dressing room at HT in the Iceland game, we'd of came out fighting and got through..
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Just don't mention Newcastle.
 
Big D 88 said:
Cant believe you all knocking Big Sam

Personally i think he'd be a great choice. Firstly, he gets results with poor teams. Internationally, England are poor (regardless of what the media hype about our players) He'll find a way to grind results in the more important games, ie a major tournament. I think any manager on the pro circuit could guide England through qualifying stages of either world cup or the world cup for that matter.

Secondly, he talks about England and the English game with passion. And lets face it, passion is one of those qualities we look for when describing the England team, 'cos talent inst one of them.

I cant help but think if Big Sam was in that dressing room at HT in the Iceland game, we'd of came out fighting and got through..
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I agree, but I would say that being a Bolton fan. What he does better than most is organisation and man management. Everyone has their job to do and knows what is expected. They certainly won't concede many goals like the Russian header and the Iceland throw-in. Dull football? Well is won't be 1970 Brazil that's for sure but Portugal have just won a tournament without too much flare and there is no way man for man they have better players than England but they had a team while we were a shambles.....and for that you can only blame the management team. I don't see many other managers who could do this job in the current circumstances. Big Sam could and I think should be given the chance.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I thought Klingsman was supposedly going to be talking to the FA as well. He's someone that can offer far more than Allardyce who I think is a poor choice
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Like what exactly? What top team is he managing at the moment? He spends his time in the USA so is not even connected with the German FA
 
"I don't see many other managers who could do this job in the current circumstances. "
If we are going to try to stay British, realistically the options are:
Sam
Pardew
Hughes
Pulis
Bruce
Hoddle

I might be missing one or two but there aren't many more. Similarly there aren't that many foreign managers currently in a job who would want to swap it unless they get a ridiculous pay rise.

It's going some when managers like Southgate are distancing themselves from it....

Butch Wilkins anyone?

At least BSA wants it. I'm slowly coming round to the idea.... reluctantly.
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Tongo said:
It wont make a difference as to who they appoint. The England players dont have the necessary technique and ability to challenge at the sharp end of major tournaments. They also dont appear to have the right attitude.

Having said that, Allardyce is a bad choice.
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What he said.
 
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