Probably not the club for me then
DQ from the Comp for NR
- Thread starter Arthur Wedge
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Orikoru
Tour Winner
Sure, but as golfers and sentient beings we all know there's a moral difference between NRing after a bad hole, and effectively DQing yourself by not returning the card. And Arthur has touched upon the fact his club punishes people for this. Unfair to punish for the first scenario, fair enough on the second.See post 25 for the definition of DQ.
It isn't defined based on emotions, it is defined in black and white in the Rules (or black and a bluish navy in this case)
KenL
Tour Rookie
To DQ (or sanction) someone for not finishing a hole is a joke. I try and score every round but on the odd occasion where I’ve lost a ball when I thought it would be fine, I would not return to the tee and risk holding the field up, I’d pick up.
D-S
Well-known member
If you are DQ and have had a 2, can you still collect?
NR (no DQ) and I would assume the 2 is valid?
NR (no DQ) and I would assume the 2 is valid?
Swango1980
Well-known member
There are some very emotional golfers in here, that get touchy about the word disqualification. Almost like they feel it indicates some sort of serious crime
rulie
Head Pro
However, in some forms of stroke play, not finishing a hole is a dq under the Rules of golf.
There is no NR in the Rules.
Swango1980
Well-known member
That's the issue, is it not, at Arthur's club? By punishing golfers from posting 3 NRs, and the software incorrectly publishing an NR rather than DQ when a golfer reasonably fails to score on a hole(s), then golfers could be unfairly punished.
Whereas if NR was only posted when a golfer actually failed to return a score, that would seem more reasonable. No need to punish a DQ, unless of course the club actively DQed a player for cheating. Which, in my experience, is very rare
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
To clarify NR it not just about not returning a score card
That’s not what a NR is
NR is also not returning a score in a single or multiples and in medal play that means a DQ from the competition - the ISVs in the main don’t put DQ next to the score but NR instead but you are still actively DQ from the Comp
Rule 3.3c in Golf
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Yeah, and it's insane to punish players for that.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Depends on the circumstances and the frequency
If it’s the odd occasion then nothing with happen
Backache
Assistant Pro
The frequency also depends on the frequency which you play competitions.
From a personal point of view I occasionally am DQ'd from medals for a no return. But it's never because I don't return a card. It's usually because I have unwittingly lost a ball and the course is busy so I don't want to hold up the entire course by going back and playing stroke and distance, which is pretty selfish.
Is be pretty fed up if I had my handicap suspended on that basis.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Is it an automatic dq? Does it not just mean that you can’t win anything.
Not as serious as a breach of an on course rule or signing for too low a score on a hole.
rulie
Head Pro
Some Committees use WD, withdrew. I recognize that it’s all about “appearance”, WD is less contentious than DQ. Where did NR come from in the first place?
Swango1980
Well-known member
It is a DQ, yes.
If you pick up in a medal, you can no longer qualify for a score in the competition, as you don't have a total score for all 18 holes. The term used for this is disqualification.
You are not DQ'ed from life. You do not have to defend yourself in a criminal court. You are simply DQ'ed from the COMPETITION. That is all.
Plenty of reasons to get DQed from the competition results, many of these due to perfectly innocent reasons that wouldn't be considered "serious" by many.
wjemather
Well-known member
WD is generally reserved for discontinuance for genuine reasons during the round, e.g. injury, illness, etc.
For handicapping, players must continue play after an NR hole, so WD would not apply.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Yes it’s an automatic DQ
We used WD for when someone has started the round has had to leave the club due either injury or emergency etc
Colin L
Tour Winner
There seems, as I think has already been mentioned, to be a mistaken notion that the word disqualification for failing to hole out iimplies some sort of misconduct. I propose a change of name from DQ to BOW so that you can say that you bowed out of the competition.
(The fact that the term is derived from the good old Scottish expression your Bum's Oot the Windae need be known to only a few.)
(The fact that the term is derived from the good old Scottish expression your Bum's Oot the Windae need be known to only a few.)
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
It does quote why the DQ mostly “ no card”
Now that does invoke disciplinary procedures where I play.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Yes we don’t return the cards physically.
We upload the signed card photo to IG after inputting the scores.
