Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Not assuming anything
Some people throw in the towel too quickly , don’t continue to play out for HC etc - multiple reasons
If you don’t NR that much then it wouldn’t really matter
DQ from the Comp for NR
- Thread starter Arthur Wedge
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Not assuming anything
Some people throw in the towel too quickly , don’t continue to play out for HC etc - multiple reasons
If you don’t NR that much then it wouldn’t really matter
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
We had 4 players NR in yesterday's medal.
I don't know this chap or what happened on the 3rd hole.
Possibly inexperienced at medals and/or simply too used to "picking up" on a bad hole.
Fair play to him though, for following the rules of handicapping and battling on.
His 0 on the 3rd is probably an 8 for handicapping. HI 17.0 gives CH of 20.6 - so 2 shots on SI 3 - the 3rd hole.
SD = 19.0
Most likely in his best 8.
I really can't see how this deserves a DQ or some other sanction.
I don't know this chap or what happened on the 3rd hole.
Possibly inexperienced at medals and/or simply too used to "picking up" on a bad hole.
Fair play to him though, for following the rules of handicapping and battling on.
His 0 on the 3rd is probably an 8 for handicapping. HI 17.0 gives CH of 20.6 - so 2 shots on SI 3 - the 3rd hole.
SD = 19.0
Most likely in his best 8.
I really can't see how this deserves a DQ or some other sanction.
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ManinBlack
Tour Winner
Under rule 3.3(C) the DQ is fair enough. However this doesn't mean the score shouldn't count for handicap. I looked at recent results from my club &, in one competition, a player was DQ'd for an unsigned card. However, the score still features on his WHS statistics.
To ban players for not completing every hole in a stroke competition is ridiculous.
To ban players for not completing every hole in a stroke competition is ridiculous.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
You score will continue to county for HC even in any NR situation
Again players aren’t being “banned”
Their HC is frozen for 2 weeks
wjemather
Well-known member
Firstly, failure to hole out (NR) is a DQ per the Rules of Golf (Rule 3.3c).
I've always wondered why competition software doesn't automatically apply this, and instead publish results as NR.
Unless you are talking about failing to return scores altogether, or failing to complete rounds after an NR (as per Stableford), there is no justification for this action in the Rules of Handicapping:
Any kind of disciplinary action for NRs on isolated holes (if the rest of the rounds are completed per the rules of handicapping) is absolutely unjustifiable.
Sounds like your committee should probably seek some guidance from county.
I've always wondered why competition software doesn't automatically apply this, and instead publish results as NR.
Unless you are talking about failing to return scores altogether, or failing to complete rounds after an NR (as per Stableford), there is no justification for this action in the Rules of Handicapping:
Even so, a freeze is very unlikely to be the appropriate action - which would be withdrawal for handicap index for a period of time following the application of Penalty Scores in each instance.
Any kind of disciplinary action for NRs on isolated holes (if the rest of the rounds are completed per the rules of handicapping) is absolutely unjustifiable.
Sounds like your committee should probably seek some guidance from county.
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Arthur Wedge
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It was something that was applied beginning of the season by someone who is no longer involved and I’m looking into it as it’s started to be used
Hence seeing what other clubs did
Swango1980
Well-known member
Looks like wjemather beat me to it anyway, but the Rules of Golf state that the player is disqualified if they fail to hole out. The only reason NR appears is that, for some reason, the software incorrectly shows such a score as NR automatically. That in itself is incorrect, as the player may well have returned their score (should have done), so it is definitely not a "No Return".
Disqualification isn't necessarily a something that indicates the player needs to be judged harshly, as if they've been found kicking their ball out of the rough. There are plenty of more innocent reasons for DQ. Could argue that NR is worse, as people may frown if there is a suggestion a player hasn't even bothered to submit their score (assuming they didn't have to leave the course in an emergency)
I suppose if the software could automatically DQ players for such reason, rather than simply DQ appearing, it could clarify it a bit more by saying something like "DQ - Not all Holes complete". I think the Committee can add a description for other reasons a player has been DQ'ed, such as not signing the scorecard (they can on Club V1 / howdidido anyway)
Orikoru
Tour Winner
No - if you NR because you messed up one hole and then continue to finish the round and hand your card in, your score appears in the comp as NR. It's not a DQ.
Agree with the others saying DQ is fair enough if you bail and chuck your card in the bin.
Really harsh to punish for the first scenario, if that's what you're saying. I've done that once because I unexpectedly lost a ball, had gotten a 12 a few holes earlier so no chance of scoring well, and didn't want to hold up the entire field by walking 200 yards back to the tee.
Agree with the others saying DQ is fair enough if you bail and chuck your card in the bin.
Really harsh to punish for the first scenario, if that's what you're saying. I've done that once because I unexpectedly lost a ball, had gotten a 12 a few holes earlier so no chance of scoring well, and didn't want to hold up the entire field by walking 200 yards back to the tee.
ManinBlack
Tour Winner
Well that's stupid as well. What's the point, makes no difference to anything
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
If you NR any hole, you lose the chance of winning that comp (unless its stableford points comp) but your score still counts for hcp and if a Q comp, still counts.
Thats how we are anyway.
Thats how we are anyway.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
So that still counts with us
I need to have a look and chat with someone to clarify it and make it clearer
The level of NR should be clarified to ensure people just messing up one hole aren’t unduly punished
woofers
Medal Winner
wjemather post #25 sums it up.
Am I correct in thinking your club uses IG? If so, IG will default an NR on a hole in a medal scoring round to NR in the results overall.
For it to display DQ, someone has to go into the scorecard record and tick the DQ box, and they also have the opportunity to type the reason, e.g. Breach of rule 3.3c, failure to hole out.
The results of the competition will then display DQ and the reason.
Swango1980
Well-known member
See post 25 for the definition of DQ.
It isn't defined based on emotions, it is defined in black and white in the Rules (or black and a bluish navy in this case
)Swango1980
Well-known member
Indeed. Especially if there is no competition the next week, or it happens to a golfer that isn't playing the following week anyway.
Feels like a punishment that punishes regular golfers more than it would punish golfers that play in comps once in a while.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Yeah the ticking of the box is being done currently by the team closing the comps but every NR is being ticked DQ so I just some clarification from the one that put in place and then adjust as needed
Arthur Wedge
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Any NR in a Medal is a DQ from the comp
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Deal with them then.
Don’t punish everyone.!
If you have three DQ ask the player why ?
If he has a reasonable excuse all good.
We had 28 NRs and 10 DQd on sat.
It does quote why the DQ mostly “ no card”
We use IG.
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KenL
Tour Rookie
You’d have about 2 comps a year at my club.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Well it’s not “punishing everyone” as such because you are only punished if you NR
Colin L
Tour Winner
Have a quick read of Rule 3.3c. with special attention to the word in red.