freddielong
Tour Winner
I can see your point with the car but its back to is easier always better and what is wrong with putting the effort in to achieve something
Does anyone actually like hitting hybrids
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slugger
Tour Rookie
this still going? i thought it was agreed by the second post that hybrids are good 
Seriously though, do you really think the game has got easier? 99% of folk are still scoring the same scores as were scored 100 years ago. All that's happened is that marketing people have persuaded us all to believe that it's got easier with each new better looking club that's released. If that was true, we'd all be hitting the ball 540yds off the tee, what with all the 15% improvements over the years!
Anyway, what does it matter? As long as we're out there playing and having fun.
Seriously though, do you really think the game has got easier? 99% of folk are still scoring the same scores as were scored 100 years ago. All that's happened is that marketing people have persuaded us all to believe that it's got easier with each new better looking club that's released. If that was true, we'd all be hitting the ball 540yds off the tee, what with all the 15% improvements over the years!
Anyway, what does it matter? As long as we're out there playing and having fun.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Why are we loosing these clubs? Various pro's still carry a 2i, Tiger included, and more will put them in the bag for the open, where a low ball flight is an advantage.
As for the rest of us, I wouldn't have one in my bag now, even if hybrids didn't exist, so I have hardly 'lost' one. It is a skill I never had, and one I never really wanted.
One of my friends still has a 2i, and I can't imagine him ever playing a hybrid, but that is his choice. Choice is good. Not having choice is boring. I can have 14 clubs in my bag, but if we all had to have the exact same 14 clubs, that would be more boring still.
As for the rest of us, I wouldn't have one in my bag now, even if hybrids didn't exist, so I have hardly 'lost' one. It is a skill I never had, and one I never really wanted.
One of my friends still has a 2i, and I can't imagine him ever playing a hybrid, but that is his choice. Choice is good. Not having choice is boring. I can have 14 clubs in my bag, but if we all had to have the exact same 14 clubs, that would be more boring still.
mono217
Journeyman Pro
I like hybrids and i dont care if they are eisier to hit really because thats what they where designed for this is why we are getting better technology.
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Okay...
The one Iron when Jack was playing is equivelent to the 2 iron these days in loft. Also the ball used when Jack was at his prime was much different to todays ball & a 1 iron (todays 2) was probably the club to reach for. Especially when you want to keep the ball down below the wind. So is the same club effectively that Tiger used a few years ago in the open up near Liverpool.
Todays Hybrids are really a re-invention of the wheel. In that I mean as Murphthemog pointed out earlier on in the thread, the likes of Old Tom Morris was using very small headed wooden hybrid clubs way back then.
Its interesting this argument about how versatile hybrids are, well yes. But everything I can do with an 3hybrid I can do with a 5wood fairway. I can use both easily out of fluffy rough. I can use either to bunt a ball up onto a green. There again I could take my 3iron & do the same bunt to be honest. If I had a 2iron I could do the same.
But do I actually like using hybrids, well I've got to answer both yes & no. I generally prefer using irons, but there are situations & times when a hybrid comes into its own, though finding a hybrid I like using is a different matter entirely.
Part of me would certainly like to experience persimmon & play hickory shafts. btw I have used hickory shafted blads before many years ago, as my Grandfather gave me a couple of old bladed irons to mess about with. Its just a great pity my suposed mates were not quite as reverent of them as I was.
But would I give up my nice Ping S57 irons, with their nice looks yet forgiving characteristics I'm not sure. If I fell through a time warp & couldn't get back & all that was available was wooden shafts & limited iron mongery then I don't think I'd complain too much, as golf is golf, no matter what we use.
Getting off topic slightly, but refering to something raised earlier. As regards to GPS & knowing distances. We don't really know distances, albeit visually as a feel for how far a club goes rather than an actual yardage in a regulated distance. Once we've meassured our different club shots with GPS, then we can get an idea of what club we then need, when the GPS is telling us the actual distance.
This thread isn't the placefor debate of GPS its for another thread & several exist.
Back to hybrids & Long irons... Which? Well both as it happens.
EDIT:
Has the game been desensitised by too much technology in perimiter weighting, carbon crowns, big caviy backs 460 cc heads, graphite shafts, & electonic gizmo's...?
Well yes. But this suites some & a little help where needed can be a good thing. As long as we can choose where to draw the line for our own game about how much desensitising we want, or are prepared to put up with. Its a case of each to their own.
The one Iron when Jack was playing is equivelent to the 2 iron these days in loft. Also the ball used when Jack was at his prime was much different to todays ball & a 1 iron (todays 2) was probably the club to reach for. Especially when you want to keep the ball down below the wind. So is the same club effectively that Tiger used a few years ago in the open up near Liverpool.
Todays Hybrids are really a re-invention of the wheel. In that I mean as Murphthemog pointed out earlier on in the thread, the likes of Old Tom Morris was using very small headed wooden hybrid clubs way back then.
Its interesting this argument about how versatile hybrids are, well yes. But everything I can do with an 3hybrid I can do with a 5wood fairway. I can use both easily out of fluffy rough. I can use either to bunt a ball up onto a green. There again I could take my 3iron & do the same bunt to be honest. If I had a 2iron I could do the same.
But do I actually like using hybrids, well I've got to answer both yes & no. I generally prefer using irons, but there are situations & times when a hybrid comes into its own, though finding a hybrid I like using is a different matter entirely.
Part of me would certainly like to experience persimmon & play hickory shafts. btw I have used hickory shafted blads before many years ago, as my Grandfather gave me a couple of old bladed irons to mess about with. Its just a great pity my suposed mates were not quite as reverent of them as I was.
But would I give up my nice Ping S57 irons, with their nice looks yet forgiving characteristics I'm not sure. If I fell through a time warp & couldn't get back & all that was available was wooden shafts & limited iron mongery then I don't think I'd complain too much, as golf is golf, no matter what we use.
Getting off topic slightly, but refering to something raised earlier. As regards to GPS & knowing distances. We don't really know distances, albeit visually as a feel for how far a club goes rather than an actual yardage in a regulated distance. Once we've meassured our different club shots with GPS, then we can get an idea of what club we then need, when the GPS is telling us the actual distance.
This thread isn't the placefor debate of GPS its for another thread & several exist.
Back to hybrids & Long irons... Which? Well both as it happens.
EDIT:
Has the game been desensitised by too much technology in perimiter weighting, carbon crowns, big caviy backs 460 cc heads, graphite shafts, & electonic gizmo's...?
Well yes. But this suites some & a little help where needed can be a good thing. As long as we can choose where to draw the line for our own game about how much desensitising we want, or are prepared to put up with. Its a case of each to their own.
haplesshacker
Money List Winner
Sort of like this 'discussion'. Wait until the evening shift start to get in on this one.
Choice is what it's about. I enjoy my golf, I don't enjoy playing once a week and having a bad round just because I have to use a club that I can't hit, and probably wouldn't carry anyway. Modern technology allows me to go and enjoy my round of golf, without having to dedicate every waking minute to practicing.
I've seen some quite good hitters of the penetrating low long ball flight of a long iron, and it is impressive, just as impressive as landing a hybrib 2 foot from the pin when struck from 200 yards away. Easy; I think not.
Herbie
Tour Winner
murph has just made a great point, it made me think how often I ever used 3 or 2 irons and because of the average course lengths and the fact that I hit a good drive (on a good day) Im always using 3w or 5 iron or less, for the few occasions I need something else the hybrid is a club I use as little as I would a long iron so where is the need and where is the advantage of hybrids when used so infrequently and infrequently practiced?
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
Sweet jesus i missed this one too, been dead busy at work today!!
I have to say though, this is the biggest pile of crap i've read on here for ages. Dissing people as muppets for using clubs that are technologically advanced is beyond a joke.
As has already been mentioned, if you were using the same kit that Bobby Jones would be proud of then you would be able to slate everyone else, however the fact remains that you are using technologically advanced kit....so button it with the smart remarks fella!
I personally have a 20* hybrid which is meant to replace my 2 & 3 irons, however i still carry my 3 iron and even though i am a relatively high handicapper, i find my 3 iron relatively easy to hit and nail it more often than i fluff it. The reason i still carry it is that i get an extra 30yds ish with my hybrid.
Yes its fairly easy to hit, but comparing hybrids to long irons is like comparing a set of blades to a set of cavity backs.
I really do believe you need to go and stand in the corner over there and think about what you've just said.....then come back and speak to us again
I have to say though, this is the biggest pile of crap i've read on here for ages. Dissing people as muppets for using clubs that are technologically advanced is beyond a joke.
As has already been mentioned, if you were using the same kit that Bobby Jones would be proud of then you would be able to slate everyone else, however the fact remains that you are using technologically advanced kit....so button it with the smart remarks fella!
I personally have a 20* hybrid which is meant to replace my 2 & 3 irons, however i still carry my 3 iron and even though i am a relatively high handicapper, i find my 3 iron relatively easy to hit and nail it more often than i fluff it. The reason i still carry it is that i get an extra 30yds ish with my hybrid.
Yes its fairly easy to hit, but comparing hybrids to long irons is like comparing a set of blades to a set of cavity backs.
I really do believe you need to go and stand in the corner over there and think about what you've just said.....then come back and speak to us again
Robobum
Money List Winner
I really do believe you need to go and stand in the corner over there and think about what you've just said.....then come back and speak to us again
I'm on your side, but even I feel chastised after that......sir
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
I really do believe you need to go and stand in the corner over there and think about what you've just said.....then come back and speak to us again
I'm on your side, but even I feel chastised after that......sir
lol....be glad i didnt shout it
freddielong
Tour Winner
are you two lovers ?
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
Why, are you jealous?
freddielong
Tour Winner
I am actualy you sound lovely - sorry all I am trying to do is get people thinking about the game and where it is going technology is good but we have to be carefull - I have removed he muppets quote I didn't realise people would be offended
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
If Bobby Jones or Old Tom Morris been about these days then they'd have been using the best & latest technology available. Infact at the time I bet they were using the best they could find for themselves & their game...
Have a look here, its a bit funny (advert from a few years ago) but the point is made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JF-4lxT2-k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfgCZcAjyS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXsALQlD-dk
(There are other balls btw ( I prefer the B330RX...Aye..!!!)).
Have a look here, its a bit funny (advert from a few years ago) but the point is made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JF-4lxT2-k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfgCZcAjyS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXsALQlD-dk
(There are other balls btw ( I prefer the B330RX...Aye..!!!)).
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
Ok lets put it this way....
A young lad decides he's going to take up golf, would you rather:
A) he picks up a set of blades 1 iron through to wedge, a persimmon driver, 3W and a blade putter. He goes to the range and tries for a few weeks, his very hardest to hit the ball half decent and fails so thinks "a***s to this, i'll take up fishing instead" and off he goes to the pond....possibly a future Open winner, probably a future club member paying his yearly subs and keeping the game going, probably a future father not passing on his love of the game to his future son/daughter.
or
B) he picks up a nice set of Mizuno MX-950's, a nice new driver & 3W, a couple of nice wedges and an Odyssey two Ball putter....all this technologically advanced kit. Off he goes to the range to try it all out and discovers that lo & behold, not every shot is topped and he can hit a nice shot every now and again, he thinks to himself "piece of cake" this game and sticks with it. 20 years later he's stood on the 18th at St Andrews holding aloft the Claret Jug, he's a paid up member of everywhere and his 10yo kids both play off scratch.....
I'm sure you get my drift about technology?
A young lad decides he's going to take up golf, would you rather:
A) he picks up a set of blades 1 iron through to wedge, a persimmon driver, 3W and a blade putter. He goes to the range and tries for a few weeks, his very hardest to hit the ball half decent and fails so thinks "a***s to this, i'll take up fishing instead" and off he goes to the pond....possibly a future Open winner, probably a future club member paying his yearly subs and keeping the game going, probably a future father not passing on his love of the game to his future son/daughter.
or
B) he picks up a nice set of Mizuno MX-950's, a nice new driver & 3W, a couple of nice wedges and an Odyssey two Ball putter....all this technologically advanced kit. Off he goes to the range to try it all out and discovers that lo & behold, not every shot is topped and he can hit a nice shot every now and again, he thinks to himself "piece of cake" this game and sticks with it. 20 years later he's stood on the 18th at St Andrews holding aloft the Claret Jug, he's a paid up member of everywhere and his 10yo kids both play off scratch.....
I'm sure you get my drift about technology?
freddielong
Tour Winner
I take what you are saying but I can remember being a beginer myself and remember working hard at the game and seeing improvements and strieving for that next goal why should it all come easy if they are no in it for the long haul do we need them - after all isn't that what our handicap system is supposed to do level the playing field and allow beginers to compete as they improve
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
But surely if a beginner feels he's making no progress in his game he'll give up?!?!
A lot more sports are a lot more accessible to a lot more people now than say 30 years ago, people have a lot more choice in what they want to do, so for me, golf has to do all it can to ensure it remains in-touch with your average Joe who is just starting out....otherwise as i've already said your average Joe will take up fishing or skiing
A lot more sports are a lot more accessible to a lot more people now than say 30 years ago, people have a lot more choice in what they want to do, so for me, golf has to do all it can to ensure it remains in-touch with your average Joe who is just starting out....otherwise as i've already said your average Joe will take up fishing or skiing
haplesshacker
Money List Winner
And the baton has been passed to KeefG. Freddie is still running this relay on his own, can he go the distance!!
freddielong
Tour Winner
but we all managed to get past being a starter we didn't give up - its when you are a starter that you make the biggest improvements - my game only improves by the minuteist amounts now - and on that bombshell I do have to go Thanks and I do hope I didn't upset anyone I will be back tomorrow
DCB
Well-known member
Ahaa, a double negative, so you do like them
