Does anyone actually like hitting hybrids

[Macster]

Calm down Calm down.........he's poked a very big stick into the hornets nest here boys, and got exactly the response wanted !!

Yes, Ive posted a discussion before about this debate, and yes, I do think a lot of you 'cop out' too easily from learning to master long irons, but thats you're perogative, and I accept that.

Personally, I hate the look of 'Hybrids', Fybrids, or whatever, behind the ball, just looks odd to me, and would much prefer to use a 3/4 iron.
Maybe I'm 'lucky' that I can hit them fairly well, or maybe its a case of 'the more I practise, the luckier I get' as Gary Player once said.

Hitting long irons is something that perhaps has to be mastered to a certain degree, and I think if done, makes you a much better ball striker generally, therefore perhaps assisting more in reducing your handicap.

But, if you are'nt that fussed, sure, use a Hybrid.
Horses for courses.

Its just a game, and we shouldnt argue bout it

 

[HTL]

Have loved reading this thread, good stuff lads. This is what the forum is all about.

I love my 20* hybrid but as soon as I try and nail it, it all goes terrible wrong. Hybrids are great for golf and I fully support their use.

 

[Parmo]

So answer the question about using a 460cc driver then.

 

[freddielong]

Possibly but there has to be a reason to practice - it should not be a case of buying a different club and all of a sudden you are a better golfer

So you want me to stop working 40-50 hours a week and run off to the golf course 3 or 4 nights a midweek to practice whilst HID happily goes along with it... day dreamer...

I am lucky to get two rounds or days of practice on a weekend, mostly its Saturday and sunday if I am lucky or one day playing and the other early morning practice and home for breakfast.

You seem to think you have a divine right to get better without putting the effort in why should you

 

[shagster]

fred, whats in your bag, golf may seem easier, the gear is certainly better, but that goes for all sport, my rifle scopes, my cricket bat. just appreciate you have a gifted talent and we have not. my mate has never broken a 100, but he loves his golf, may be more then you. enjoy and encorage. yes i wish i could hit long irons, maybe i could if i practice, but i just want too play, so i use what helps me, purely personal. same for everyone.

 

[freddielong]

Driver - Rapture 9 degree x stiff grafalloy,
3 Wood - Cobra deep face 13 degree dynamic gold x100 shaft
2 iron - Mizuno MP37
3-PW Mizuno MP32
Vokey 52 & 60
Putter Scotty newport midslant

 

[haplesshacker]

Whoa. A noobie with attitude!

Okay. So you're entitled to your opinion regarding the use of hybrids, but to call us all muppets (as in your sig) is inflamatory and derogatory.

These clubs aren't as easy to hit for a newcomer to the game as you think. Okay, they're easier than a 2 iron, but that's it. In the same way that a 'Spider' putter is easier to use than a traitional blade putter.

In effect what you're saying is that if you were to start the game today, having never played before, you would not use a hybrid!?

Hell, lets make the F1 drivers use thin cross ply tyres. Whilst we're at it, lets ban modern carving skis, because they make life 'easier' for the participents. Okay I could go on, but I won't.

You're welcome to your opinion, but lay of the abuse. This is generally a friendly place. Someone of your ability can make a really positive impact on this forum, if handled correctly. Let's face it, us 'muppets' do listen to what you guys have to say, especially if it helps us get to a similar h'cap one day.

Popcorn at the ready!

 

[freddielong]

Again I don't wont to upset anyone just want people to think about what getting better should mean - I just think it should take more than buying some new clubs

 

[USER1999]

Thing is, it is more than just practice. Just hitting 400 shots with a 1i isn't going to make it any better. If I have a swing fault, I need to correct it, through the whole bag. If I do this, I will become a better golfer. Practicing my faults won't help.

So I need lessons, lots of them, and then practice. Sadly I don't have the time, and so I use game improvement bats, of whatever variety I find.

But sadly it hasn't made the game any easier for me, as I am still off 11/12. That you have got better over a similar period is obviously down to the work you have put in, and not the equipment. I haven't put in the work, my h/cap remains the same.

I have played persimmon woods, blades (1i through wedge), bulls eye putter, titleist tour balata balls, v grooved wedges, the lot, all off 12. I could do so again, but what is the point. I wouldn't enjoy it any more than I enjoy playing my current kit. This puritanism is not for me.

I still don't get it, why hybrids particularly?

Drivers to me have made the most difference. 20 years ago, 18 handicappers with drivers were as rare as hens teeth. Now, anyone who takes up golf buys a driver, straight away. I could see an arguement against modern drivers, but then you can't argue that one can you, you've got one.

 

[freddielong]

OK I will remove the muppets from sig I dont see it as a term of abuse more friendly banter - I didn't think it would have the reaction it has lucky I didn't go stronger -I just love golf and really care about where it is going

 

[Parmo]

Possibly but there has to be a reason to practice - it should not be a case of buying a different club and all of a sudden you are a better golfer

So you want me to stop working 40-50 hours a week and run off to the golf course 3 or 4 nights a midweek to practice whilst HID happily goes along with it... day dreamer...

I am lucky to get two rounds or days of practice on a weekend, mostly its Saturday and sunday if I am lucky or one day playing and the other early morning practice and home for breakfast.

You seem to think you have a divine right to get better without putting the effort in why should you

No, I just have my priorties in order.

I play for enjoyment not for the ego of a hcp and to say I can use a 1 iron but sell mars bars on a weekend. I bet you are hcp 27 with all the gear and... really.

 

[haplesshacker]

Again I don't wont to upset anyone just want people to think about what getting better should mean - I just think it should take more than buying some new clubs

I don't think there is one person on here that doesn't realise that new clubs don't make the game. We know that practice is what it takes. But why not try to make life a little eaier with the right kit, and all that it has to offer.

Bet your car has anti-lock brakes. Well, learn how to drive properly and you won't need them!! Oh, don't have the time or inclination to practice better driving!? (Bet you're an ex BTCC driver, and own a TVR, now that I've said that!)

Oh, and if you don't mean to upset people, lose the sig.

 

[Herbie]

Driver - Rapture 9 degree x stiff grafalloy,
3 Wood - Cobra deep face 13 degree dynamic gold x100 shaft
2 iron - Mizuno MP37
3-PW Mizuno MP32
Vokey 52 & 60
Putter Scotty newport midslant

Well that first club didnt exist in Jacks hayday, nor did the 3w nor did the range of shafts available, I dont see a 1 iron anywhere, mizuno mp37 are quite a technological advance on the clubs I used to use let alone Jack, so Im having a hard time understanding what you have against hybrid clubs when you yourself have taken advantage of technology A hybrid is simply a combination of club technology offering no more or less benefit than the old 3/5/7 woods of the day for example.

If you really care about where golf is going, perhaps addressing these awful long putters would be more in keeping with your fears for the game, certainly before addressing hybrids

 

[Dodger]

Spot on Murph,drivers are the easiest bit of kit to hit now than 15 years ago by a country mile so the OP if he has a problem shouldn't be focussing it all on Hybrids,what about the ball as well?The game has moved on vastly in the 25 years I have played but it aint going to reverse so get on with it and deal with it,no doubt something else is just around the corner that will make the game seem easier to the OP but that is just the way things are.

 

[Robobum]

If you do truly love golf then you should be happy that the new technology has encouraged people who either do not have the ability to dramtically improve or indeed the time to devote to trying to improve. If these people never played it would be a minority sport played only by an elite few who could manage to hit a ball with a piece of tin foil on a stick.

There is enough technology in your own bag to satisfy any techno geek. Is it a selective adversity to technology you have??

 

[Robobum]

I would wager a top end ball as well, hardly backing up your earlier statement.

 

[freddielong]

Right sig has gone - Arnold knows the score

I do like the car comparison because it does kind of echo the point in that cars without these things are more fun to drive

 

[freddielong]

Spot on Murph,drivers are the easiest bit of kit to hit now than 15 years ago by a country mile so the OP if he has a problem shouldn't be focussing it all on Hybrids,what about the ball as well?The game has moved on vastly in the 25 years I have played but it aint going to reverse so get on with it and deal with it,no doubt something else is just around the corner that will make the game seem easier to the OP but that is just the way things are.

The reason I am focussing on hybrids is that I beleive that we are looseing something because of them the other things have been enhanced

 

[haplesshacker]

I do like the car comparison because it does kind of echo the point in that cars without these things are more fun to drive

Indeed you may think that it backs up your argument. It doesn't. You need alot of skill and put in a lot of practice to drive a 'basic' powerful car. Time that few of us have available to us today.

Driving a rear wheel drive powerful car is not easy, well you could pottle around in it, but for most people they'd stick it into a hedge on the first corner, not unlike your 2 iron.

Some would argue that landing in said hedge is not fun! With car or club.

Thanks for removing the sig though.

 

[freddielong]

you must like the irony in the new one great quote by Lee Trevino though

Maybe I have a more sadistic personality than you but I love the fact that golf is hard and needs to be worked on