Ethan
Money List Winner
What do you mean?
The Committee has no discretion to DQ where such a penalty is not permitted (as in the example cited), nor waive DQ where it is prescribed.
Disqualification..Wrong Net Score???
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What do you mean?
The Committee has no discretion to DQ where such a penalty is not permitted (as in the example cited), nor waive DQ where it is prescribed.
rosecott
Money List Winner
Exactly, Ethan.
The first time you submit a wining scorecard without checking and signing it you are simultaneously penalised and educated.
The first time you submit a wining scorecard without checking and signing it you are simultaneously penalised and educated.
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
Bit harsh though don't you think and not in the spirit of the game?
If a card was handed to me and not signed I would tell the competitor he's forgotten to sign it. Anyone that doesn't do this is, I'm afraid, suffering from length in a certain appendage!
Obviously if someone has breached the rules knowingly then it will be dealt with.
CK
If a card was handed to me and not signed I would tell the competitor he's forgotten to sign it. Anyone that doesn't do this is, I'm afraid, suffering from length in a certain appendage!
Obviously if someone has breached the rules knowingly then it will be dealt with.
CK
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
I can see your point CK but i dont think it is at your Discression mate ,
sJoe how did ya get on mate ? surely this was reversed ,
sJoe how did ya get on mate ? surely this was reversed ,
Ethan
Money List Winner
If a player hands in an unsigned card, they are DQ'd. If you blithely accept that card and allow them to sign it after the fact, you are cheating as well. Some Comp Secs think they have the right to amend the Rules of Golf. They don't. You don't.
Now, the Committee, as a whole, may waive a DQ, but you can't do so unilaterally. You must also have grounds to do so. There are numerous decisions about signing cards. 'I forgot' is unlikely to be a convincing argument.
As for appendage length, some Comp Secs think that holding this office enhances their length. It doesn't. Quite the opposite in fact, as some are clearly compensating for a shortcoming.
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
So 100% of you would disqualify someone if they gave you their card and it wasn't signed? Surely the gentleman in you would say something first?
Maybe you operate your competitions differently? At the end of the round cards get handed to either the H/C sec or myself and we enter them onto the system so everyone can see where they stand in the clubhouse. If a card is handed to me unsigned then I remind the competitor. Maybe I should be one of those Competition Secretaries that you speak of?
As a committee, we are all agreed on this approach.
Putting a card in the box after a medal round (As these are played whenever on medal day) and not being signed is totally different, a non-signed card is not a card.
I am merely saying it's the gentlemanly thing to do and I hope that other people do agree or I have got this game totally wrong.
CK
Maybe you operate your competitions differently? At the end of the round cards get handed to either the H/C sec or myself and we enter them onto the system so everyone can see where they stand in the clubhouse. If a card is handed to me unsigned then I remind the competitor. Maybe I should be one of those Competition Secretaries that you speak of?
As a committee, we are all agreed on this approach.
Putting a card in the box after a medal round (As these are played whenever on medal day) and not being signed is totally different, a non-signed card is not a card.
I am merely saying it's the gentlemanly thing to do and I hope that other people do agree or I have got this game totally wrong.
CK
coolhand
Head Pro
CK- I'm with you on this. Surely a bit of discretion is called for.
Should the Policeman who stops you for a blown indicator bulb impond your car as unsafe or suggest that it would be a good idea to get yourself down to the nearest garage for a new one.
Is golf a welcoming and inclusive sport?
Should the Policeman who stops you for a blown indicator bulb impond your car as unsafe or suggest that it would be a good idea to get yourself down to the nearest garage for a new one.
Is golf a welcoming and inclusive sport?
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
bobmac
Major Champion
On a complete tangent and nothing to do with some golf club committees and those who serve on them.........
I wonder what traffic wardens do when they retire?
I wonder what traffic wardens do when they retire?
Ethan
Money List Winner
But it isn't a question of what is gentlemanly or not, nor whether golf is inclusive or not. The policeman analogy is also a spurious one as the rules under which traffic police operate allow a degree of discretion and judgement to be taken into account.
It would be very gentlemanly to say to a player, 'sorry old chap, I coughed on your backswing and you snapped it OOB, please play another one', but you can't. The Rules are there to be followed, and the Committee does not have unlimited discretion to change the Rules of Golf. Plenty of Comp Secs have a pretty tenuous knowledge of the Rules, and many wrongly think that they can simply amend one and make it a 'local rule'.
Some of the Rules may be harsh, unfair, illogical or open to abuse, but that is unfortunate and can't be changed arbitrarily.
It would be very gentlemanly to say to a player, 'sorry old chap, I coughed on your backswing and you snapped it OOB, please play another one', but you can't. The Rules are there to be followed, and the Committee does not have unlimited discretion to change the Rules of Golf. Plenty of Comp Secs have a pretty tenuous knowledge of the Rules, and many wrongly think that they can simply amend one and make it a 'local rule'.
Some of the Rules may be harsh, unfair, illogical or open to abuse, but that is unfortunate and can't be changed arbitrarily.
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
On a complete tangent and nothing to do with some golf club committees and those who serve on them.........
I wonder what traffic wardens do when they retire?
Do they sell V-Easys and poke hornets' nests on forums...??!!
CK
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
All rules are open to interpretation old chap.
When does the card not signed actually come into effect?
Have a butchers at this, I would welcome your interpretation...
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-A...cisionId=06704120-F7B8-4285-AEC7-7F1750DA4742
CK
When does the card not signed actually come into effect?
Have a butchers at this, I would welcome your interpretation...
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-A...cisionId=06704120-F7B8-4285-AEC7-7F1750DA4742
CK
DaveM
Tour Winner
No I think they join golf club committees, then become comp' sec's!
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
Oi! I only got the job cos I was the last one left in the bar!
Ethan
Money List Winner
All rules are open to interpretation old chap.
When does the card not signed actually come into effect?
Have a butchers at this, I would welcome your interpretation...
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-A...cisionId=06704120-F7B8-4285-AEC7-7F1750DA4742
CK
I already referred to this. Note that it says The Committee must make the decision. I specifically said that you, as an individual Committee member, can't.
In terms of timing, a card is handed in once submitted to the Committee, so that could be by being given to the pro or dropped in the box. That doesn't mean once the Committee get their hands on it.
These cases are sometimes overturned by Committees who may be well intentioned but do not know the Rules.
chrisd
Major Champion
Ethan is totally correct, end of
Chris
Chris
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
If someone tee'd up slightly in front of the tee markers what would you do?
CK
CK
sJoe
Assistant Pro
OK guys going back to my original thread..I objected to our disqualification quoting the relevant rule no's and the disqualification has been cancelled and our points awarded..Since this is an ongoing winter league comp. we have now moved 4 places up the "leaderboard"..Result..So thanks to all of you for your help..
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Golfing Year to you all
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Golfing Year to you all
Ethan
Money List Winner
I would let them play then bash them to death with my sand wedge.
There is a decision in the Rules allowing me to clean the blood and brain matter off the sand wedge afterwards.
CallawayKid
Q-School Graduate
Splendid news Joe, sense prevails!
CK
CK
