Captain’s Day Disqualification

[Skytot]

It was our club 2 day Captains Weekend competition this weekend. After day one a high handicapper had 65 net and was 3 shots clear. On day 2 the lad ( leader) was the last 3 ball to go out in the afternoon. Around 3s luck the heavens opened, we all donned our waterproofs , umbrellas ect and carried on .. Apart from the last 3 ball who sheltered for 15 minutes. Some members in the clubhouse spotted them sheltering and informed the club Chairman who then disqualified the 3 lads for sheltering.. The lad who was leading day 1 was livid, had a rant to us while we were putting out on the 18th then sped out the car park at 100 miles a hour . Felt bad for him but they are correct in disqualifying him .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So they DQ the last 3 ball because they sheltered from the rain for 15 mins

And players from the clubhouse snitched on them

The rule


Penalty for Breach of Rule 5.6a:
• Penalty for first breach: One penalty stroke.
• Penalty for second breach: General Penalty.
• Penalty for third breach: Disqualification.
If the player unreasonably delays play between two holes, the penalty applies to the next hole.

 

[Skytot]

So was the chairman correct to disqualify him ? There was some very experienced golfers who snitched on him who I would expect to know the rules .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So was the chairman correct to disqualify him ? There was some very experienced golfers who snitched on him who I would expect to know the rules .

Well guess it’s interpretations here


Its about unreasonable delay - and for a DQ would mean 3 offences by the same person

That would seem to be one offence and should be a possible 1 stroke Penalty if they deemed it unreasonable

But they could be DQ if they have deemed it “significant”

5.7a/1 – When a Player Has Stopped Play
Stopping play in the context of Rule 5.7a can either be an intentional act by the player or it can be a delay long enough to constitute stopping. Temporary delays, whether reasonable or unreasonable, are covered by Rule 5.6a (Unreasonable Delay).

Examples where the Committee is likely to disqualify a player under Rule 5.7a for stopping play include when:

• The player walks off the course in frustration with no intent to return.
• The player stops in the clubhouse after nine holes for an extended time to watch television or to have lunch when the Committee has not allowed for this.
• The player takes shelter from rain for a significant amount of time.

 

[Imurg]

So was the chairman correct to disqualify him ? There was some very experienced golfers who snitched on him who I would expect to know the rules .

Rule 1..Being a very experienced golfer is not a marker as to their knowledge of the rules..

 

[IanMcC]

Can 5.6a be implemented if they were the last group?

 

[Skytot]

Just had a look on R&A rules app.
Rule 5.7a
Reasons for players disqualified.
Player takes shelter from rain for a significant amount of time ..

 

[Orikoru]

Seems harsh. If it's groups of 3 and his two other group members are insistent, is he supposed to continue playing on his own until they catch up? With nobody marking his card?

 

[Bdill93]

Just had a look on R&A rules app.
Rule 5.7a
Reasons for players disqualified.
Player takes shelter from rain for a significant amount of time ..

15 mins isn't exactly significant across a 4 hour (+) round though in my opinion.

A penalty - maybe - but DQ seems excessive.

 

[rulie]

Can 5.6a be implemented if they were the last group?

Yes. They are expected (by the Committee) to keep up to the group in front of them. Imo, "delay" doesn't only refer to the group behind, it can also apply to the competition, ie, delaying completion. It's a broad term.

 

[IanMcC]

Yes. They are expected (by the Committee) to keep up to the group in front of them. Imo, "delay" doesn't only refer to the group behind, it can also apply to the competition, ie, delaying completion. It's a broad term.

In that case I believe it should have been a 1 stroke penalty.
No way is 15 minutes excessive. People stop longer at the half way house sometimes.

The group should quote 5.7a, and say they suspended play because of imminent danger of lightning, and none of them had a phone.

 

[bobmac]

What is the penalty for not starting your round on time?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What is the penalty for not starting your round on time?

Depends on how late you are

Rule 5.3a – When to Start Round – states that a player has to begin at his or her starting time (and not before).

‘The player must be ready to play at the starting time and starting point set by the Committee,’ it says.

The penalty for not being on time is disqualification. But there are three exceptions to this.

If you arrive at the starting point, and are ready to play, no more than five minutes late then the general penalty (two shots, or loss of hole in match play) is applied to the first hole.

Conversely, if you start no more than five minutes early then the general penalty also applies to the first hole.

 

[bobmac]

So if a group miss their tee time by 15 mins with no previous permission from the committee, might they be dq'd?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So if a group miss their tee time by 15 mins with no previous permission from the committee, might they be dq'd?

Yes.

 

[3offTheTee]

What is the difference between this and when a group stop for around 10 minutes at the half way house?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What is the difference between this and when a group stop for around 10 minutes at the half way house?

Again it’s down to what is deemed reasonable - a stop at the halfway hut could be decided is acceptable by the committee

 

[jim8flog]

What is the difference between this and when a group stop for around 10 minutes at the half way house?

In general because in a major comp all groups will be likely to be stopping at the halfway house.

 

[IanM]

What is the difference between this and when a group stop for around 10 minutes at the half way house?

From a Rules perspective, most clubs with a half way house stipulate how long you are allowed to stop. Sheltering from adverse conditions for 15 mins,when there has been no suspension is a breach.

Bit surprised to see last game out on Capt's Day called for it though.

 

[RichA]

What is the difference between this and when a group stop for around 10 minutes at the half way house?

I would imagine it rather depends on whether the group stopping includes the leader and/or a high handicapper and whether the clubhouse witnesses includes the person in second place and/or members of the captain's/committee clique.
Golf club basics innit.