Course rating/Par/Shots

[SammmeBee]

Ahhh, that is a different matter. If there is a mixed tee competition, the PLAYING handicap calculation is different. The difference in Course Ratings is factored in, and the players playing off the tees with highest CR (white tees) will get the extra shots equal to the difference in course ratings

Is that in all formats?

 

[Swango1980]

Is that in all formats?

In mixed tee comps, yes. For example, playing in match play with both male and female players, difference in course ratings needs to be factored into the Playing handicaps

 

[Swango1980]

But have you accounted for Slope? It is a significant factor in the Score Differential calculation.

Do you mean course rating? It is the slope that is clearly resulting in the small difference in course handicap ge highlighted. But, I am sure the course ratings are significantly lower for the shorter course.

So, he wouldn't be "giving up 1 shot" if he elected to play off yellows in mixed tee comp, as the difference in course ratings would be then accounted for

 

[SammmeBee]

In mixed tee comps, yes. For example, playing in match play with both male and female players, difference in course ratings needs to be factored into the Playing handicaps

In mixed tee comps, yes. For example, playing in match play with both male and female players, difference in course ratings needs to be factored into the Playing handicaps

Mixed tee comps yes but is the calculation the same for Stroke Play, Match Play and Stableford formats….I’m not sure it is…..

 

[Swango1980]

Mixed tee comps yes but is the calculation the same for Stroke Play, Match Play and Stableford formats….I’m not sure it is…..

Ahh, ok. Slightly different. For stroke play and match play, it is:

Playing = (Course x Allowance) + diff in CR

Stableford it is:

Playing = (Course x Allowance) + diff in no. Of points to play to handicap

Different again for par/bogey formats

 

[Foxholer]

Thank you for the reply. I see how the above makes sense if the competition is played from the same tees by all players. However, there is now an option to have mixed tees competition since in theory they course handicap is reflecting the challenge of each accordingly. In the mixed tees comp, would the player benefit from choosing the shorter tees if they are given the same shots from both?

Idealy...No!

But being 'given the same (number of) shots' is not the same as 'expecting to shoot the same score'!
You 16.5 Index golfer - 'given 20 shots' as a Course Handicap on either course would be 'expected' to shoot (have a target of) 93 from Whites as opposed to 90 off the yellows! Likewise, Stableford points from Whites would be 'expected' to be 3 less than from Yellows - actual targets being 35 and 38 resp.

 

[VVega]

Idealy...No!

But being 'given the same (number of) shots' is not the same as 'expecting to shoot the same score'!
You 16.5 Index golfer - 'given 20 shots' as a Course Handicap on either course would be 'expected' to shoot (have a target of) 93 from Whites as opposed to 90 off the yellows! Likewise, Stableford points from Whites would be 'expected' to be 3 less than from Yellows - actual targets being 35 and 38 resp.

The par off both is the same, so actual target is still 36.

Having checked our clubs clarification on the mixed tee stableford, it appears the following is spot on:

the players playing off the tees with highest CR (white tees) will get the extra shots

- It says the players of the white tees receive two extra shots.

 

[Foxholer]

The par off both is the same, so actual target is still 36.

Having checked our clubs clarification on the mixed tee stableford, it appears the following is spot on:
- It says the players of the white tees receive two extra shots.

As has been posted several times 'Par' is irrelevant when equating one course with another! That has always been the case! SSS - pretty much equivalent of CR (for a scratch player) - was a much better way to 'equate' courses! But that only equated them for 'Scratch' players! WHS has the additional parameter of 'difficulty for a bogey player' - aka Slope! So even your club's 'mixed tee adjustment' of 2 shots is out of date!

How many times does it have to be beaten into you that Par is - and has always been - irrelevant!!! I've played courses where (in 'old money') Par is 72 but SSS is 73 at one and Par is 72 but SSS is 68 at another! Do you think Par had any relevance then? The 2 extra shots might have been relevant pre-WHS, but are no longer all that matters!

 

[VVega]

As has been posted several times 'Par' is irrelevant when equating one course with another!

Correct and agreed.

The OP however was about the same course from different tees and getting the same number of shots. We did establish that for the HCP index the differential is what matters, though in a competition it’s still your CH/PH (shots given) vs par.

 

[Foxholer]

... though in a competition it’s still your CH/PH (shots given) vs par.

Only for Stableford comps! For Strokeplay comps, Par is irrelevant!

 

[VVega]

Only for Stableford comps! For Strokeplay comps, Par is irrelevant!

Fair point. Our club weekly comps have become stableford for 90%, quite a reversal from 5 years back when it was mostly medals.